Dan Sherman Interview
And Book Review

For the Colorado Daily
As UFO books go, Dan Sherman's "Above Black: Project Preserve Destiny" seems like a relatively quiet addition to the current literature. A short read (it took me less than four hours), it is bereft of sensationalistic speculation, monumental revelations and self-aggrandizement. But the story that this technical staff sergeant tells is a remarkable and disturbing one.
Sherman says that he was recruited into a U.S. Air Force program in the early 1990s that trained its members to communicate telepathically ("intuitive" is Sherman's term, though he concedes it is essentially undescriptive) with aliens and act as a conduit between them and unseen patrons at the National Security Agency. The purpose of PPD, says Sherman, was to develop a mode of communication that would help the government survive after an impending EMP (electromagnetic pulse) event that the aliens (whom he nicknamed "Spock" and "Bones") said would render all electromagnetic communications useless.
Sherman's abilities came in part from training and in part from genetic manipulation while he was in the womb. While he served as an electronic intelligence officer, he performed duties in a number of super-secret ("Black") programs as a matter of routine and transmitted alien communications ("comms") through another system when and where they came in. Most of his communications were strings of alphanumeric data that he relayed through an NSA-monitored computer system, though he also developed an ability to communicate "informally" with his alien contacts and frequently asked questions of them.
After a couple of years of stifling secrecy (and the unsettling development of being provided abduction information to pass along), Sherman became disillusioned and managed to be discharged from the Air Force, although under trying and contentious circumstances. He has since become the focus of intense interest among members of the UFO community on the Internet, and to date, the information he has revealed (at least regarding his role as an intelligence officer in the Air Force) has stood up well under investigation. In an exclusive interview, Sherman talks about the book, his experience and his leap into the raging waters of UFO insidership.
His book is currently available only through his own publishing company. His Web site is:, and the ordering page can be found at (Or order directly by calling 888-240-1825.) It is $18, plus $4 for shipping -- and worth every nickel.
David Kirby: I have trouble imagining how extensive the IC ("intuitive communicator") training was at the time you were in active duty. You seem to indicate that you were among the very first, but you also refer to a statement by Captain White on Page 26, to wit: "Everyone I have had to tell this to has had the same concern ..." Could you venture a guess how many ICs were actually working or training in the period of time you were in the program?
Dan Sherman: The only reason I believed I was "one" of the first is because my handlers or commanders at each assignment had seemed to be a bit green. My first commander was the only one who seemed to have a clue as to what was going on. So he was probably a central figure inasmuch as he had been the one to initially brief all the ICs. Of course, the term "one of the first" is a relative term.
DK: Why didn't the Air Force address itself to the obvious risk of burnout or severe stress-related symptoms that would seem inherent in a position like this? It seemed that all they did when you asked for a discharge was refuse it; why didn't they offer a carrot to coax you to stay in the program? Was there any way they could have convinced you to stay?
DS: I don't believe they thought I would be able to get out. I've thought about this as well. I really don't know why they treated me the way they did. Actually, the escalation of my anger happened via e-mail to my commander. Perhaps they would have handled it differently in hindsight -- maybe sending my commander to talk with me about wanting to get out and the motives I had for getting out.
The only thing I can offer in explanation is that we are all human and make mistakes. Perhaps my commander made a mistake in the way he handled the situation. However, after that final straw dropped -- when he told me I wouldn't be able to get out, period -- nothing they could have done from that point on would have salvaged the situation. I became quite revengeful, I'm sorry to say.
DK: You have stated that the reasons for your discharge are publicly available. If so, why not state them in the book?
DS: I have chosen to not address this issue because I do not want to be publicly quoted as saying anything attesting to its truth or non-truth. Everyone will just have to find out for themselves if it is that important to them. All I will say is that I received an honorable discharge from the U.S. Air Force. The military even placed the wrong terminology on my discharge papers, technically speaking. The reason really has no bearing on the validity of my experience.
DK: Was there any concern that any side effects (psychological, physiological) of long-term work in the PPD program might interfere with your non-PPD duties?
DS: I had no concerns about this. My abilities were a natural part of me. However, as with anything considered in the long term, you never know until that span of time has happened. But I never worried about it.
DK: Do you believe your non-PPD superiors knew about your PPD activities?
DS: I'm 100 percent positive they did not.
DK: UFO investigator Bob Huff has speculated you were stationed near here, at Buckley. Can you confirm or deny?
DS: Yes, I was stationed at Buckley.
DK: Since the book's release, have you been approached or contacted by any other ICs? Seems like they could find some comfort in your story and your public release of this knowledge ...
DS: I have waited for this to happen, but it hasn't. I've said before, however, that I believe I'm the only IC who has gained a discharge from the military so far. So, unless there is another one who has been discharged, I don't expect any to come forward.
After my discharge, they may have changed some things as well regarding the way they treat the others. They may have begun to make them feel like they are an important part of the big picture. That was one of the problems in handling me -- I increasingly became an isolated part of the picture and I didn't know where I fit in. Hence, I became more disillusioned than I would have if I had been made to feel an important part of the mission.
DK: In your informal contacts with Bones, did you ask where these beings were from? Did you get any kind of a comprehensible reply?
DS: I never did get an impression of where they were from. I began to assume what I would read in the papers, that they were from Zeta or some far-off place like this. I did ask where they were from, but never got an answer. Their method of travel was such that I believe they could travel great distances in a short time, though. I explain this further in the book.
DK: You indicate that you were forced to question many things about your career and yourself during this experience. Did you ever seriously question whether the alien aspect was a ruse, that, even if you were communicating with someone "intuitively," it could have been with another IC or a human source at NSA?
DS: I have been asked this many times. What you say is possible, I can't deny that. But if you had experienced the communications, you would have no doubt in your mind either that this was not of human origin. The communication had a completely different structure to it. This is frustrating to me, because this part of my experience is the most difficult to explain.
I have likened it to a tapestry, that is, rich in sensory stimuli. You can focus in on one part of the tapestry and look at a detail, but at the same time, you can still sense all the color and fabric around the detailed part. This is the closest I can come to describing what it was like in communicating with Spock and Bones.
DK: Did the alien contacts ever indicate that the secrecy about their presence and the government's interaction with them was a mutually agreed-upon arrangement? If so, is this an indefinite one?
DS; Yes, I believe the "arrangement" was mutually agreed upon. I also believe they have a separate agenda apart from their cooperation with the government. I was never able to put my finger on it, but this was the impression I got over time. I am unsure as to the time frame.
DK: Did you ask Bones why the aliens were abducting humans? Would his answer in any way have made you feel more comfortable about receiving/transferring the abduction data?
DS: To tell you the truth, I can't remember asking him about the abduction sequences I was reporting. You have to remember that our "discussions" were few and far between. I do remember being reluctant to bring up the topic -- probably, looking back on it now, because I didn't want to know more. It was like an "if I ignore it, it'll go away" type of thing. In a perfect world, I would have asked why, they would have told me, and I would have been happy with their explanation. It didn't work this way, though.
DK: Was there any mention in your informal comms of the technology swap deal with the military that many UFOlogists have speculated on? (We provide genetic material, they provide technology ...)
DS: The only thing remotely close to this was when I was told they contributed to many human societies in history. I wasn't told which ones and if this even meant our modern-day society. It is my guess that they have contributed to ours ... perhaps involuntarily. (i.e., seized crafts, etc.)
DK: How many books have you sold? More or less than you thought? Any indication that Air Force is coming after you in any way?
DS: I'd prefer to keep the sales numbers private. We are negotiating with some companies for distribution rights at present. I can say that no one is getting rich from the sales. We have sold more than what we had anticipated, however. We didn't expect to have to order more until March or April of next year, but we had to order another printing after only one month of release.
There has been no indication of being contacted by any government agency. I do believe they are monitoring the situation, however, waiting for a miscue on my part about the Black information. Many of the letters I have received from people have already been opened. This could be coincidence, but I do believe they are attempting to monitor what I say.
DK: Do you think you have been fairly treated by investigators and the UFO community at large? Do you think they have any real hope of forcing information like this into the open?
DS: Our society is so inundated with UFO stories nowadays that it is difficult for insider experiences such as mine to surface and be seen. I have been treated fairly so far, and I appreciate it. I knew that coming out with my experience -- telling people that I communicated with two aliens for the NSA -- would be highly suspect. I wouldn't believe it! So I have to expect a bit of questioning. I've welcomed it, actually.
As far as forcing it into the open, it's going to be difficult for the mainstream press to pick this up. This is unfortunate because it would force a searchlight upon the government and its alien involvement. I don't feel my revelations are going to change the world, but I'll sure try to raise the awareness bar one more click.
DK: You said you believe the government is releasing information very slowly about their knowledge of UFOs. Have you been accused of being (or are you) simply a government information/disinformation agent authorized to disseminate this information?
DS: I have been accused of this, and no, I am not. Of course, if I were, I probably wouldn't tell someone anyway ... so we're stuck in a quandary, aren't we? The slow release of knowledge is inevitable, but the public will only get that knowledge which is of no use to the government anymore and that won't jeopardize current operations. Our only hope is that it will get so compartmentalized they start confusing one another and releasing things they shouldn't.
DK: Besides selling this book and doing interviews, what are you doing now? And by the way, how old are you?
DS: I work in the high-tech industry. I'm attempting to go to school full-time with no success as of yet. I am 33 years old. I'll be speaking at the International UFO Congress Conference in Laughlin, Nev. The conference will be held from February 1-7, 1998. I will be there the whole week, and I am scheduled to speak the night of the 6th. Col. Philip Corso is speaking the same night. It should prove to be an interesting conference.
Editor's note: Col. Corso, in his book "The Day After Roswell," has stated, among other things, that he was involved in the dissemination of alien technology acquired from a craft which allegedly crashed near Roswell, N.M. in 1947.
For background information on both Sherman and Corso and current postings on this subject, check out

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