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- From Jack Sarfatti <sarfatti@Well.com 10-26-99
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- When Disclosure Serves Secrecy By Steven M. Greer M.D.
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- Ending the secrecy surrounding the UFO/ET subject is
a laudable goal. It is long overdue. It would transform the world in ways
both simple and profound.
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- And yet it is fraught with danger.
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- The covert projects which have been running UFO related
programs for nearly 60 years are not interested in a disclosure which upsets
their apple cart. They want such a disclosure to transform their apple
cart into a freight train. And they potentially have the power and connections
to do it.
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- [Jack]
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- For the record. It is my opinion that if there are actual
retrieved alien flying saucers, and I am working on the assumption that
there are, that the different militaries in charge of them have all, without
exception failed miserably and completely in decoding exactly how they
work. Otherwise, we would have seen ample evidence in our skies. Any world
leader would proudly demonstrate such superior military technology if they
had it. All one need do is look at the physics text books to understand
why the military has failed in the ET arena. One has only to look at the
attitudes of the "respectable" leaders of physics and technology
to understand why the military is clueless about what they have had for
almost 60 years. Or, alternatively, there are no retrieved flying saucers
at all and it's all disinformation. However, given the recent public French
report, and other secret information I have, give the latter alternative
much lower probability than the former because of my own post-quantum theory
that I have developed since 1995 in spite of the debunkers. "Damn
the torpedos, full speed ahead."
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- [Greer]
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- There are multiple scenarios attending the disclosure
of the UFO subject-and not all of them have the best interests of humanity
at heart. Elsewhere, in the new book Extraterrestrial Contact: The Evidence
and Implications' (<http://www.drgreer.com/www.DrGreer.com) I write
about the kind of disclosure the world needs. An honest one. An open one.
One which replaces secrecy with democracy. A disclosure which is peaceful,
scientific and hopeful.
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- [Jack]
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- While I applaud the sentiment, I cannot completely agree
for simple commercial business reasons. The US government, for example,
is so imprisoned in incompetence and bureaucratic red tape and Kangeroo
Courts of Peer Review that they are clearly clueless about what needs to
be done. A good example of this is the CIA's recent venture capital fund,
another is the measley pittance given to the NASA Breakthrough Propulsion
Project and the obvious timidity and conventionality of the leaders of
that Project. The Right Stuff to Make Star Trek Real is coming from swash-buckling
private entrepreuners from "Silicon Valley" who are cutting through
all the obstacles with cash. Money talks. So these investments need to
be protected to return a profit down the line. That's why the present secrecy
on the real stuff, the right stuff. When patents are secured, when IPOs
are done and products put on the marked from "virtual reverse engineering"
of ET, then the public will be put into the loop. It's simple free enterprise.
Does Macy's tell Gimbels?
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- [Greer]
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- But then there is the disclosure the powers that be would
like to see: Manipulated. Calculated to consolidate power and engender
fear. Configured in such a way that chaos and a deepening need for Big
Brother is carefully inculcated into the masses.
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- [Jack]
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- Paranoid hogwash. It's simply money, profits. It's the
good old American Dream with Yankee Ingenuity "Crank 'er up, and see
how she runs." It has nothing to do with "Big Brother".
"It's the economy, Stupid." It has more to do with Alan Greenspan
and Nicoli Tesla and keeping the Dow above 12,000, where it should be,
than Orwell's "1984". My prediction, my precognitive remote viewing
shall we say, is that when we announce several IPOs in the next few years,
the Dow will shoot to over 20,000 and I may be conservative in that estimate.
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- [Greer]
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- We have seen the plans and it is not a pretty picture.
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- [Jack]
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- Fear monger.
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- [Greer]
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- I write this as a warning. A warning that the wolves
in sheep clothes are very cunning indeed.
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- [Jack]
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- Bull Tweedle. "We have nothing to fear, but fear
itself." I guarantee it.
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- [Greer]
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- And have almost limitless resources.
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- [Jack]
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- What do Bill Gates and Paul Allen have to do with this?
You know something I don't? Then practise what you preach and spill the
beans. :-)
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- [Greer]
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- Most who work with them do not even know they are wolves.
Indeed, it is likely that many of the wolves have been convinced that they
are sheep.
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- [Jack]
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- Sounds like you and Dan Smith have jumped into bed together?
Politics makes strange bedfellows. :-)
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- [Greer]
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- The UFO matter is not so much a mystery as a matter deliberately
obfuscated and mystified.
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- [Jack]
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- Not anymore it ain't. "Lafeyette we are here."
The Space Marines of Star Force are on the beach. :-)
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- [Greer]
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- Confusion and a lack of clarity serves the larger covert
goal of keeping it off the long- range radar of society while power and
plans are consolidated quietly. And the one thing more dangerous to society
than all this secrecy is a planned, contrived disclosure run by the keepers
of the secrets.
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- [Jack]
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- Pure paranoia. The "keepers" are old and doddering
and many have Alzheimer's - not a Yuppie among them. :-)
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- [Greer]
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- For years such plans have been made - to be unfurled
at just the right time. During a time of great expectation. Of social confusion.
Perhaps of millennial madness?
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- I have personally met with a number of people who are
very involved with such plans. I do not speculate here. Be aware: The disclosure
of UFO reality is being planned very carefully. It will assiduously follow
a scheme to spin the subject in just the right way - the only way which
will further redound to the glory and power of the secret-keepers. It will
be a false disclosure - one born out of the age-old bane of human existence:
selfishness and greed. Greed for power. Greed for control. Greed for domination.
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- [Jack]
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- You sound like a Militia spokesman. The above is balderdash.
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- [Greer]
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- We must be mature and informed on such matters. Only
a vigilant and informed public can see through such deceit - and correct
it should such a plan be unfurled. Every citizen needs to know that great
good can come from the truth being known. But the mature citizen must also
recognize that the truth' can be spun and spun again -until the goals of
those who crave secret and overt power are met.
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- Consider: One scenario for disclosure is that the UFO
and Extraterrestrial subject is acknowledged in a way which is scientific
and hopeful. Excessive secrecy which lacks executive branch and congressional
oversight is ended. Humanity begins to entertain open contact with other
civilizations, with peaceful engagement as the goal. Technologies which
are currently suppressed are allowed to be disseminated: Pollution ends.
An economy of abundance and social justice is firmly established. Global
environmental destruction and mind-numbing world poverty become a faint
memory. Zero-point based energy devices transform the world. Electro-gravitic
devices permit above ground travel without paving over the world's precious
fertile farm land. As an ET once told Colonel Philip Corso, " Its
a new world, if you can take it...". This is the disclosure which
we are working for.
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- But the disclosure envisioned above could have happened
in 1950.
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- [Jack]
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- Bull. It did not happen, it could not have happened back
then because physics was still so primitive that not even Einstein, Bohr,
John Von Neumann, Ed Teller, Richard Feynman, Julian Schwinger, J Robert
Oppenheimer et-al and All The King's Men could figure it out! Many of these
men were my teachers. I was around in the 50's and I know how those men
were thinking. Disclosure of the UFO Reality had to wait for several developments
like Feynman's idea of nanotechnology "Room at the Bottom" and
David Bohm's reformulation of quantum theory that did not reach the critical
point until 1993 and others, and then my post-quantum theory in 1995.
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- [Greer]
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- It did not - Why? For such a disclosure would lead to
the total transformation of the status quo.
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- [Jack]
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- This is irresponsible drivel.
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- [Greer]
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- Centralized energy systems would be obsolete. Oil would
be useful only for lubricants and synthetics. The geo-political order of
today would be a thing forgotten: Every country and people on earth would
have such a high degree of progress and advancement that all nations would
have a seat at the global table. Power would need to be shared. Peaceful
acknowledgment of life from elsewhere would make the earth seem like the
very small, organic homeland which it is. The vast trillion dollar global
military - industrial sector would be reigned in. And a universal spirituality
might dawn...
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- But remember, there are hugely powerful interests who
dread this scenario.
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- [Jack]
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- Nonsense. Every businessman would love it to happen because
it means their profits will be enormous! The energy companies have lots
of money to invest in the new post-quantum economy and they will and they
will make more money than they ever dreamed of. Enough of your Doom and
Gloom Rant and Rave.
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- [Greer]
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- My meetings over the past 9 years with covert operatives
who have worked on UFO related programs have introduced me to some characters
right out of a spy novel - and then some.
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- [Jack]
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- I don't believe you. If it were true you would already
be dead.
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- [Greer]
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- Whether in private high tech industry, at the Pentagon
or at a midnight meeting in a private mansion, a theme has emerged. It
is one of immense, though currently hidden, power. It transcends government
as we know it (at this point the government of 'We the people...' has been
made irrelevant on this issue). And the theme has two main strands - the
eventual covert militarization of the ET subject and a weird covert religious
strain which can only be viewed as bizarre.
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- [Jack]
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- You must mean Dan Smith and his "Eschaton".
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- [Greer]
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- Here, we find some very strange bed-fellows indeed. War
mongers and militarists in cahoots with industrialists who share a certain
bizarre eschatological bent: A dark view of the future, featuring an extraterrestrial
Armageddon - or at least the threat of it. Such a theme supports retrograde
and fanatical religious causes as well as deeply covert military-industrial
plans to expand the arms race into space.
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- In fact, the big players in the so-called civilian UFO
community' are tied into such beliefs and agendas. It strains credulity,
I admit, but here is what we have found by penetrating these operations.
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- [Jack]
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- Name names. Describe exact meetings etc. While Dan Smith
does, at times, apparently promote the kind of thing you mention he has
no real power. I am "The Force without force" here for legitimate
optimism. Listen to me, not to Dan Smith. Even Dan Smith listens to me,
though he mostly does not take my advice.
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- [Greer]
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- From a military-industrial perspective, the disclosure
of choice is one which frames the UFO/ET issue in a threatening manner.
If a threat from space can be established ( as President Reagan liked to
say)
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- [Jack]
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- He got that idea mostly from me and ... . The Buck stops
here.
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- [Greer]
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- then the entire world can be united around the need to
fight such a threat. This would ensure trillion dollar plus military -
industrial spending well into the next century, and beyond. If you think
the cold war was costly, wait until you see the price tag for this protection'
from the threats' in space: The trillions spent on the cold war will look
like a blue light special.
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- Retrograde and fanatical religious groups, similarly,
have great vested interests in fulfilling the promise of Armageddon. An
eschatological paradigm, well enshrined in the belief systems of those
running covert UFO projects, is supported by the portrayal of a cosmic
conflict in the heavens. Voila! We have the necessity of spinning the UFO/ET
issue in the evil invading aliens (translates in religious terms as demons)
direction. Indeed, this has already been accomplished , courtesy of the
civilian UFO community' and the tabloid media (which at this point is virtually
all media...).
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- [Jack]
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- Let's put a little balance and sanity into this. It would
be as stupid to assume that the ET's all ALL benevolent as to assume that
they are ALL malevolent. We have to be prepared for whatever comes either
way. We have to be fair, decent, noble, moral, responsible, and all those
good things. Also we have to be ready to kick alien ass and squash those
Bugs, like in Heinlein's "Star Troopers", IF AND ONLY IF they
put us in harm's way. It's a Big Universe Out There, we cannot assume that
all ET's come from the same culture with the same objectives.
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- [Greer]
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- Additionally, there is a subtext which can only be viewed
as thinly veiled racism.
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- [Jack]
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- I am an avowed enemy of all racism including racism against
ETs who mean us no harm.
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- [Greer]
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- You will note that part of the 'new myth' regarding UFOs
involves the 'good ET s' , which invariably are described as 'Pleidians'
who are 'handsome' white, blue-eyed Aryan appearing types. Naturally, those
evil, bad ET s' are darker, shorter, look funny and smell funny. Please.
Such clap-trap would have us trade age-old human racism for an extraterrestrial
variety. This nonsense and propaganda could only make Hitler proud.
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- [Jack]
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- That is the first point on which we agree. Look there
are a lot of pathetic idiots in the UFO movement as in any movement. They
are basically too stupid to have any real impact. The Mossad keeps watch
and will take care of any Little Hitler Clone who might wish to use the
ET issue to resurrect the Third Reich. Yes, there may still be some of
those jokers around, but this time we have the Israeli Air Force, second
to none. :-)
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- [Greer]
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- In one lengthy meeting with a multi-billionaire, I was
told that he gave great support to UFO activities which propel the so-called
alien abduction' subject into public awareness because he wanted humanity
to unite around fighting this alien threat'.
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- [Jack]
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- Do you mean Laurance Rockefeller? Who do you mean? In
any case, what's really wrong with that IF alien abductions are real as
John Mack has persuasively argued? There may well be an "alien threat".
It all depends on the facts. Just the facts. Also we may have "alien
allies". Remember that time travel to the past from the future plays
the major role here.
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- Later, this very influential figure informed me that
he believed these demonic ET s were the cause of every set back in human
history since Adam and Eve. Sound familiar?
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- Military interests, which are heavily involved in covert
projects which hoax ET events, such as human military- related abductions,
have a shared goal of demonizing the UFO/ET phenomenon. Doing so lays the
foundations for the fear and dread necessary for an organized opposition
to all things ET. And this subserves the long - term need to provide a
rationale for an expanding global military even should world peace emerge.
In fact, under this scenario, world peace', or strictly speaking peace
on earth, could be secured by the world uniting, eventually, against the
threat from space' referred to by President Reagan. (By the way, personally
I believe Reagan was the victim of disinformation specialists who surrounded
him and who manipulated him into the statements he made on this subject.)
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