- In 1947 Kenneth Arnold, while flying
in the Pacific Northwest, saw and later drew something the world had never
seen before. Remarkably, his rendering turned out to be a near exact drawing
of a German aircraft design war historians now know as the Ho Parabel (Horten
Parabola). See complete story of the astonishing twin-jet, 600 mph OPERATIONAL
HO-229 at: http://www.sightings.com/ufo/hova.htm
| The Ho-IX
Maximum Speed 600+ mph
| Kenneth Arnold and his
drawing of what he saw in 1947
- Incredible as this operational Horten
design was, it did NOT represent the pinnacle of German advanced WWII flight
- There were a number of brilliant German
scientists and engineers working on flying disc-shaped craft, many of which
used traditional rocket/jet propulsion techniques...but some, apparently
used methods far in advance of anything commonly known at that time. Or
now, for that matter
- Dr. Richard Miethe whose group allegedly
built saucer craft at Breslau, came to Canada after the war and worked
on saucer designs with the A.V. Roe Company on a joint American-Canadian
project which 'officially' produced only a barely functional 'hovercraft'
type 'saucer.' Most researchers today consider the Roe 'saucer' nothing
less than a diversion. What was Miethe really working on?
- Another highly-advanced group was led
by Dr. Viktor Schauberger, who worked in Austria at the Kertl factory in
Vienna. Schauberger's incredible craft allegedly utilized a tornado-like
vortex which produced magnetic effects said to cause levitation. Two Schauberger
models, both made of copper, were said to have been built with one of them
successfully test flown. The story goes that it flew so well, in fact,
that it impacted the inside roof of the hangar and was destroyed.
- The SS which was apparently overseeing
this and all German saucer research, allegedly stopped further experimentation
after accident, dismissed Schauberger, and took all of his work and wizardry
to some other location for further development. After the war, Schauberger
was lured to the US by an alleged CIA front company and was then duped
into signing a contract in English (he knew only German) giving the company
all rights and title to his inventions, concepts, and designs. He was then
returned to Austria...and died five days later.
- As stated earlier, many of the German
saucer craft were predicated upon known, if quite exotic, technology. Our
source for the extraordinary drawing below has been thoroughly interviewed
over a lengthy period of time and is known to be of impeccable integrity.
We have seen some of the hundreds of wartime documents from his long service
with the Horten brothers, including personal correspondence from them to
- When queried as to how he was able to
obtain the drawing of the disc craft below, he would only say, "Sneaky...sneaky.
No one was ever to know anything about this...I had to get the drawing
from a friend who was very close to the project." He said he would
never compromise his friend by disclosing his identity.
- Our source described how he was stationed
at an airbase in Prague during the war while undergoing advanced mechanical
training and also doing some teaching. On a number of occasions during
his time at the base he heard, what he believes, was the disc-shaped vehicle
shown in the drawing below being test flown. We say 'heard' because all
those living on, or even near, the test area of the base were utterly forbidden
to look out the windows...under penalty of being shot on the spot. In fact,
all the windows in homes facing the test area were blacked out. No exceptions.
He described the sound of the craft as absolutely 'deafening.' This would
come as no surprise, given the 5 engines...three for lift and two for forward
thrust...indicated in the drawing below. This is a simple overview schematic
of the craft which does not, obviously, reflect the finished detail of
the pilot(s) controls, seating, and final interior configuration of the
- Our source said the engines were not
typcial jet engines but were kerosene-fueled turbines of a type which he
was told were capable of producing very high speeds. The drawing in his
possession and shown here may be of the Schriever disc which was said to
have used rotating metallic vanes set within the perimeter of the disc
to achieve vertical lift similar to produced a helicopter. Once airborne,
the two thrust turbines took over to push the craft on its way. Our source
says he believes the first test flight occurred in 1942.
- What happened to these craft after the
war? Our source says that both the Russians and Americans were aware of
the ultra-secret German disc research programs and had an agreement they
would not shoot the discs down or apparently bomb the research facilities
because the craft posed no hostile threat...unlike the facilities at Peenemunde.
The eventual outcome of the war was a virtual certainty and both countries
wanted the disc technology as one of the prime spoils of war.
- As research continues probing the advanced
German WWII programs, it is becoming more evident that at least some of
the early - and current - UFO sightings may be directly related to, and
descendants of, disc craft like the one depicted in this newly unearthed
- We asked for a statement on this report
from British disc researcher Tim Matthews. Our thanks to Tim for the following
- By Tim Matthews
- "Recent developments involving the
emergence of some new evidence for the existence of an advanced discplane
designed by a joint Heinkel/BMW team of engineers headed by Dr. Richard
Miethe at a variety of facilities in Prague, Czechoslovakia, from 1942/3
are most intriguing.
- There are several important points to
note in terms of the witness testimony...that he heard the test-flights
of a discplane whilst stationed at Prague from 1942.
- 1 - He does not claim to have actually
seen the aircraft.
- 2 - As a result we have to accept that
the information relating specifically to performance is second-hand and
- 3 - There is no evidence in any text
relating to high-performance advanced German aircraft and missile developments
during World War Two that indicate the speeds claimed for the 'Flugkreisel'
or 'flying saucer'.
- Nevertheless, there were significant
developments in Prague some of which were focused upon the Kbely (Gbell)
airfield. The airfield is still in existence and nowadays a Czech aviation
museum and archive are located on the spot where early German discs were
tested. The chief archivist tells me that all the information on German
projects were taken in 1945.
- Some of the best evidence relating to
the existence of this discplane, said by some to be the 'Versuchs 7' and
'Versuchs 8' (V7/V8) models emerged in an article featured in the German-language
magazine "Flugzeug" ("Aircraft") dated 2/1989 (page
52) which details a sighting by a witness in August/September 1943 at the
- The disc completed a very simple take-off
and landing exercise and the test was witnessed by several people. The
disc was said to be housed in a nearby hangar.
- It is important to note that the Russians
captured the facility on or about the 10th May 1945. It is true that the
allies did have a great deal of information about advanced German technologies
and this is covered in my book "UFO Revelation". I am not sure
that there was any 'agreement' between the Russians and Americans in terms
of similar technologies given our certain knowledge that the two competed
for the spoils of war in a very aggressive manner. The Nordhausen example
is perhaps the best....
- Of course many of the records have been
buried and are out of our reach - even after 54 years......
- There is little evidence of high performance
in any witness statement relating to the discplane tests, excepting the
information supplied by Flight Captain Rudolph Schriever in several German
newspapers in 1950.
- The picture supplied by the witness,
who now lives in the USA, is exactly the same as that featured in the original
version of the Schriever story made available in an International News
Service release dated 11th April, 1950, which I have in my possession.
(The story was originally featured in "Der Spiegel", dated 30th
March 1950, in an article entitled "Untertassen-Flieger Kombination".)
The picture is also shown in the Hatcher Childress/Renate Vesco "Man-Made
UFOs 1944-1994" (Adventures Unlimited Press) in the illustrated section
between pages 241 and 243.
- I suspect that talk of supersonic speeds
for flying discs were an indication of those thought to be achievable by
scientists after detailed research and development. I have no doubt that
German discplanes flew and that they showed great potential but we can
rule out high Mach flight or anything approaching it. Even the better postwar
discplane sightings tended to indicate speeds of between 300-600 mph. The
German most closely associated postwar discplane development for the US
Air Force (US Navy programmes developed earlier from the Chance-Vought
XF5U-1 and related to jet-powered 'pancake' designs) was Dr. Richard Miethe
who worked closely with John C Frost and H Moody for AV Roe in Canada.
Miethe was the brains behind efforts to build the ultimate VTOL discplane
based upon German work on the 'radial flow engine' noted in the previously
"Top Secret" 'Project Silver Bug' or 'Project Y' papers (dated
1955) that led to the emergence of several variants including a disc interceptor
(see WS 606A/B) that was perhaps a forerunner to the more reliable YF-12.
- Information on Miethe is scare although
is work for the USAF has been acknowledged by former Secretary to the USAF
Dr. Alexander Flax. Several FOIA appeals for information on Miethe have
gone to appeal and have been unsuccessful. There is an ongoing attempt
to bury the truth about the German input into US discplane Research and
Development and this might in part relate to WW2 war crimes involving slave
labourers who 'worked' for BMW. Information on 'Operation Paperclip' is
also scare and it is to be hoped that this new witness might be able to
shed new light on this and similar activities.....
- The witness notes the use of kerosene
in a multi-engine VTOL disc. In fact most jets use kerosene anyway although
it might be the case that the witness is talking about an early 'radial
flow' engine. This seems to be suggested by his testimony relating to a
hybrid helicopter/plane. (Curiously the jet-powered XF5U-1 was said to
have similar novel qualities.)
- Nevertheless, the suggestion that a five-engine
prototype disc could have overcome the serious problems of parasitic drag
and flown at high speed is not a realistic one. Even if some sort of Schauberger
system of 'levitation' is invoked then there are serious problems.
- (On a separate note work into similar
systems HAS taken place at the University of Houston and was conducted
by the late Dr. Mikhael Goldshtik. His 'vortex thruster' system is said
to be a development along similar lines - some 50 years after Schauberger!
Therefore the early German work seems to have been based upon some real
science and might be said to have been vindicated)
- In terms of the actual Schriever discplane
diagram supplied there is no way that a pilot could have flown the aircraft
at high speed in a standing position although it is understood that the
1950 picture was an artists impression. I would expect that in an aircraft
attempting to overcome speeds approaching the supersonic regime (or as
we are told; the high Mach regime!) the only solution, and one favoured
by several of the better German aerodynamicists and designers would be
to put the pilot in a prone position. This was also suggested specifically
for the flight involving high 'g' turns expected from the more advanced
AVRO discplanes and various other advanced aircraft of the mid-1950s. (Prone
position had also been tested in the Lockheed F-80E and a variant of the
B-17 bomber. This work was undertaken by a 'Paperclip' scientist Dr. Hans
Amtmann at Wright Field)
- In terms of Vertical take-off and landing,
which requires great control at low speed, the only way for a pilot in
this position, or in a seated position, would be to see through an inset
window in the floor of the aircraft.
- The large bubble cockpit shown in the
picture would be a killer in terms of high speed flight and a blended design
would be expected. We cast our minds back to the sleek early postwar supersonic
jets and earlier German missiles........
- One thing is for sure; the information
that the witness has about the Horten brothers aircraft is of the greatest
potential significance and certainly his claim to have a Horten (design)
glider stored away is one that will lead to great interest from all modern-day
advocates of the flying wing and those interested in historical aircraft
- In 1942 the Hortens' had still not received
much government funding although many of their gliders were being flown.
It wasn't until 1944 that new life was breathed into the company after
Goering saw the possibilities of developing the aircraft as a long range
bomber. I am not aware of any specialist training relating to the test-flights
of the Horten aircraft from 1944. The aircraft were actually flown by Heinz
Scheidhauer, Erwin Ziller and Walter Horten himself. Knemeyer was the chief
Reichsluftfahrtsministirium (RLM) test pilot. Testing took place in Oranienburg
and Gottingen. (Josef Stuper undertook early flight tests with the HVc
in 1943). Work on the Horten wings took place at those facilities and at
Brandis and Friedrichsrode (where the Americans got hold of them).
- There is no information on flight testing
or training re; the Horten wing in Czechoslovakia.
- In order to fully convince the world
the witness must be allowed to provide as much corroborative evidence as
he can to investigators so that it may be fully checked. One thing is for
sure; as times goes by, and though our efforts, the truth about man-made
UFOs is slowly starting to emerge......"
- Tim Matthews, 12th Feb. 1999
- Anyone with further data on German discs
is urged to contact either Jeff Rense or Tim Matthews. All responses will
be held in the strictest confidence.
- Note - We have been advised by Bill Few that the same
Schriever schematic is in the book UFO Crash At Aztec by Bill Steinman,
1987, pg. 510. "Schriever says the blueprints were stolen for the
machine he calls a 'flying top' before Germany's collaspe and says the
machine would be capable of 2600 mph and a radius of 4000 miles. The article
states he would be willing to build one for the U.S. the time required
being 6-9 months.
- Hello Jeff,
- Regarding your posted report below on a German Flying
- Although the Germans were way ahead of the rest of the
world in some technology areas ie V2 Rocket, Jet Airplanes, and Gyroscopes
and even getting into Disc designs below, I can't see why people want to
make more out of these drawings than what you see. Even Matthews admits
that these German Discs, while perhaps test flown, did not have the capabilities
of the reported UFOs back then or even now. Yet Matthews et. al. seem intent
on explaining UFOs reports as terrestrial technology generated from original
German designs. http://www.sightings.com/ufo2/hovnew.htm
- As Tim Cooper informed me back in May, see below, the
IPU was formed in 1942 after an investigation of the LA incident. If modern
UFO reports go back this far then I think the Germans could of pick up
their "Disc Designs" from all these UFO reports as the U.S. seems
to have done. The Kenneth Arnold drawing of a "Delta Shape" craft
could just be a Disc(s) that "morphed" itself like I watch over
Phoenix Az in Oct ''97: This "Disc" I saw in binoculars "morphed"
itself into several shapes within 15 seconds while the other Disc close
by just maintained it's shape. Another thing; the Disc type platform is
inherently unstable aero wise: Today with all our Hi Tech control systems
we could probably get it stabilized but you'd still have allot of aero
drag: One reason I thing UFOs are "morphabe" is to reduce the
drag while in our atmosphere or the atmosphere of some other planet..Also,
even many of my own sources never knew the IPU ever existed as they would
tell me "it was before my time."........
- Subject: IPU
- Date: Thu, 6 May 1999
- From TIMOTHY S. COOPER
- Hi Bob,
- It is my understanding from what Cantwheel told me that
the IPU was a proposed unit in Army CIC before WW II by McArthur and established
by a classified general order from Marshall sometime in 1942 after an investigation
of the March 1942 Los Angeles "air raid" incident. During the
war years the unit composed of several investigative teams along the lines
of Grove's ALSOS teams created to investigate the progress of the German
atomic bomb program. The IPU reported directly to headquarters G-2.
- Back in 1992 (I think) I filed a FOIA request to INSCOM
at Ft. Mead and Stan and I received a 500-plus page package of Army CIC
files on flying saucers in August 1996. More recently, NARA located the
USAFOSI UFO files for all their districts and I gave this info to Ryan
Wood who has received microfilm rolls of these files. If the Dept. of the
Army is correct, the IPU files are in there. If the IPU was created in
1942 as Cantwheel claims, then there had to have been incidents as far
back as 1939 or 1940 to warrant an investigative unit in CIC.
- It is noteworthy to mention here that the State Department
had received well over 800 reports from military Attaché's during
the 1946 UFO wave over Europe and is possible that the IPU got those reports.
I have some reports from CIC in Europe that date to May 1947 and some reference
CIC investigations in Germany shortly after Germany's surrender. We have
yet to see these. There were several projects. One was called MESA and
another called HARASS. Project PAPERCLIP under a cover project called FIAT
is mentioned in these CIC files. It would appear that the Army was investigating
the UFO phenomena long before official Air Force investigations began in
- Hope this helps.