- On 30 March, l998, I received an e-mail
message simply titled 'Blowing The Whistle - Roswell, from someone named
K---- G------. The message simply read " Ok, I know something about
the Santilli footage, I can identify without a shadow...Call me. K----
G------.
-
- I took me a while before I reached KG
on the phone and he went on to tell me an intriguing, but so far unconfirmed
story. I again interviewed KG on 11.6.98 this time tape recording the conversation.
-
- The following is an interview I conducted
with KG: Nothing has been deleted or added and the interview is complete.
-
-
- INTERVIEW
-
- Philip Mantle: This is 11.6.98, Philip
Mantle (PM) and K---- G------ (KG)
-
- KG: Yep.
-
- PM: Philip Mantle and K---- G------.
-
- KG: Absoloutely.
-
- PM: Have you any objections to me tape
recording this
- conversation K----
-
- KG: I don't Philip, at all.
-
- PM: Do you mind if I publish it at all.
-
- KG: I don't mind if you publish it.
-
- PM: Right, OK. Well ,it was on 30 March,
l998, you originally
- e-mailed me K----.
-
- KG: Certainly, yes it was.
-
- PM: And, er, you claimed at that time
you had some information
- on the er, Roswewll film.
-
- KG: I certainly did.
-
- PM: First and formost can you give us
a bit of information on
- your background and then I'll ask you
another question.
-
- KG: OK, er, my background is primarily,
well certainly for the
- last, up until about 5 years ago, was
as a video games
- programmer, erm, I then came to work
for a company in Milton
- Keynes, which is where I now live, about
5 years ago, erm, as a
- video games programmer. They were actually
a hardware designing
- company. I erm, sort of worked my way
up through the eons of
- that company and until I was eventually
part of the management
- team, erm, and it was during the period
of working there, with a
- business contact that I first met the
people that we are gonna
- talk about.
-
- PM: OK. Now like I said, in your first
e-mail you askeds me to
- give you a all, which I did, aat that
time you told me you had
- some information about, er, the Santilli
film. Could you tell us
- what that information is please K----.
-
- KG: OK. Basically, erm, I had er, an
association, I had a
- colleague erm, that had an audio/visual
company, erm making, at
- the time they were making a lot of Karaoke
videos for third
- party publishers, erm, and soundtracks
for childrens films and
- that sort of thing. I actually first
came across this company
- erm, in the capacity as a games programmer,
erm, and in fact
- contracted them to provide music for
some video games that I was
- working on.
-
- Erm, I, er, I'm just trying to think
of the story,events here,
- I erm, I'd known, I got to know them
pretty well, I spent a lot
- of time working in their studios with
them while we were playing
- around with different ideas for theme
tunes for games and sound
- effects and so forth. So I would say,
most of the staff in there
- I was very well acquainted with and had
a very good relationship
- with the erm, owners of the company.
Erm, about, some time,
- about a year and a half ago I went to
actually visit this
- company, I hadn't seen them for a while,
it was all, it was just
- a social visit, just pop-in to see how
everybody was, and, while
- I was there the phone wrang, and, it,
erm, the secretary put the
- phone call to the colleague I was with,
the owner of the
- company, erm, who had a phone conversation
with Ray Santilli.
-
- Erm, when the phone, the conversation
had finished, I said to my
- colleague 'the Ray Santilli'. He said,well,
what do you mean
- 'the Ray Santilli', I said the guy with
the Roswell film. With
- that my colleague actually fell about
almost in hysterics, I
- mean he would have fallen of his chair
I think, given a chance,
- and he said didn't you realise we made
that. And I said well,
- hang on, no, no, no. He said, no, we
made that, didn't you
- recognise Elliot. And I said well, no,
quite frankly I didn't
- recognise anybody. Erm, and then, he
said er, well, you know, we
- made that, was Elliot.
-
- Amblings went on, carried on, and
- eventually he took me into the studio
and erm, he showed me a
- video tape of what, I didn't recognise
as being the Roswell
- footage, and he showed me some film,
but it was quite clearly I
- could see that the main character in
this footage was Elliot,
- who was one of the sound engineers there,
erm, but it wasn't
- what I recognised as the Roswell footage.
Erm, and then I sort
- of, I wasn't, at that time, that particularly
impressed, erm, I
- just thought well maybe he thought he'd
made something, but that
- wasn't the Santilli, certainly wasn't
the Santilli footage. Erm,
- and he gave me a copy of the video cassette
that they'd made but
- for some reason had never published,
erm, and I went off quite
- happy. Erm, one night I'm sat here, whenever
it was I first
- contacted you, Phil.
-
- PM: Erm, it was March the 30th.
-
- KG: March the 30th.
-
- PM: Yes.
-
- KG: I was sat in, sat in my office at
home, surfing the
- internet, and, I had no real contrived
or planned reason, just
- typed Roswell into Yahoo to do a search,
erm just to see, you
- know, see what the latest is, whatpeople
are currently thinking
- about the Roswell film. And I found a
page, erm, that was, erm,
- that was a web page, where they were
doing analysis of the tent
- footage. Now I'd never realised that
there were, I'd never
- followed the story close enough to know
that there different
- segments of footage and different pieces
of this so-called
- Roswell film, and erm, they had sort
of a web page analysis of
- the, of the Roswell footage on there,
on there, of the tent
- sequence, and I clearly identified that
tent sequence with the
- video that I'd seen.
-
- Well within about 10 minutes I was downstairs
searching through
- my video library trying to find this
video cassette that I'd
- been given, and basically matched up
frame for frame with the
- copy that I had which clearly showed
Elliot the sound engineer
- with the pages on the internet and sure
enough the tent footage
- was the same footage that claimed to
be made by erm, by my
- colleagues, and was undisputable that,
that was Elliot. I
- watched the film through and through
again and without a shadow
- of a doubt it was definitely Elliot and
it definitely matched up
- with the pages on the internet reporting
to be the tent footage;
-
- PM: Yes.
-
- KG: At which point, I thoght mmm, I should
inform somebody about
- this, and just found a few key figures,
that were er, that were
- erm, involved in investigating Roswell
from a UK end, and erm,
- sent you e-mail.
-
- PM: OK, is the name of this company --
-----.
-
- KG: -- -----.
-
- PM: Or is it --- -----.
-
- KG: No, --.
-
- PM: -- -----.
-
- KG: --, er,.-- actually stood for A---
and K---- which were the
- names of the two owners.
-
- PM: Right.
-
- KG: Erm, and they ceased trading earlier
this year.
-
- PM: And is one of those owners a chap
by the name of K----
- B------.
-
- KG: K---- B------, yes, that's it...B------.
-
- PM: Ok, how did you know about the Roswell
film itself and make
- the connection with Santilli.
-
- KG: Erm, only from the original Channel
4 and the Fox
- televisions films, both of which I saw,
I used to travel a lot
- in America and I saw the Fox one and
I also saw the Channel 4
- one. Erm, and just, just loosely followed
it but hadn't paid any
- keen interest, I'm not what one would
call a ufologist or any
- such thing. So it wasn't with over keen
interest, but you know,
- it was something that just sits there
and you check now and
- again and see what's going on, but obviously
in those programmes
- they's interviewed Santilli and er, you
know, it was just one of
- those names that when I heard it crop
up, when I was at --
- -----, erm it was just one of those things
that wrung little
- alarm bells, hang on, Ray's in touch,
Santilli, there's a name I
- know.
-
- PM: Did your colleagues at -- ----- at
the time when you were in
- their office and Santilli phoned, did
they give you any other
- information about their dealings with
Santilli and selling the
- film to him or something of that nature.
-
- KG: I believe the film was made for a,
erm, was made, basically
- for another company. They were making
a video called, erm,
- something to do with the web, Beyond
the Web ?
-
- PM: Penetrating the Web ?
-
- KG: Penetrating the Web. Erm, it was
part two or something, and
- they were actually putting this video
together for them. Erm,
- they, now this is how I understood it,
they had shown the
- footage that they made to Ray Santilli
to which point Ray
- Santilli tried to but it, acquire it,
whatever. The upshot of it
- was, was that Penetrating The Web was
never released in the UK,
- at the the time it was made, and in fact
in the copy that I had
- was, pre-dated all of this by a year
or so, erm, Ray Santilli
- had then used this as part of his Roswell
collection and there
- had been sums of money passed hands to
make sure that it wasn't
- actually published as Penetrating The
Web, erm, at it's original
- scheduled release date.
-
- PM: Right, well Penetraing The Web was
released, are you aware
- of that.
-
- KG: I had no idea it was released over
here, I knew it had been
- released in Italy.
-
- PM: It's been released in the UK because
we have a copy.
-
- KG: Right, OK.
-
- PM: The gentleman who made that...
-
- KG: B---- B------.
-
- PM: B---- B------, do you know B----.
-
- KG: No ideas at all, I wouldn't know
him from Adam.
-
- PM: He told us at the time that he'd
bought it from a third
- party, but he wouldn't say who. So you're
saying that -- -----
- made it especially for B---- B-------
company.
-
- KG: However it happened, but I believe
that it was originally
- made for B---- B------, I wouldn't confirm
that, but that's as I
- believe it.
-
- PM:OK, very interesting. Any information
you'd like to add.
-
- KG: I can't think of anything else I'd
would like to add, I
- can't think of anything else at all really.
-
- PM: Do you still have a copy of the video
that was given to you.
-
- KG: No I don't unforunately, I'm trying
to get it back, it was
- give to Bob Kravitz, Bob bo..
-
- PM: Kiviat ?
-
- KG: Kiviat, yes, he actually has my copy
at the moment.
- Basically so he had a first generation
copy and could try and
- lift a clear picture, oh, I say a first
generation a, er, an
- original copy and he can try and lift
some decent footage off of
- that clearly showing Elliot.
-
- PM: Yes. Just for the record, are you
aware of how Bob Kiviat
- got in touch with you.
-
- KG: Er, via yourself I believe.
-
- PM: That's correct, yes.
-
- KG: Yes, yes.
-
- PM: It's for Kiviat's programme later
in the year.
-
- KG: Yes.,
-
- PM: So once again you understand that
this conversation has been
- recoded.
-
- KG: Yes.
-
- PM: And you have no objection to it being
published either in
- written form or on the internet or whatever.
-
- KG: No, not particularly Phil.
-
- PM: Is there any of the details that
you've told me that you
- wish not to be made public, ie: the name
of the company.
-
- KG: No, I have no problem with that at
all.
-
- PM: Well, thank you very much.
-
- KG: That's alright Phil.
-
- PM: Don't go off I'll just turn the machine
off.
-
- END
-
- I have so far purposely withheld all
of the names of the
- individuals allegedly involved and the
company also. Efforts are
- being made to contact those allegedly
involved and colleagues
- and I have already obtained information
on the company allegedly
- involved. If any further information
is gleaned from our
- contining investigations into these allegations
it will be
- posted on the internet.
-
- If anyone would like to assist us with
these investigations
- please do not hesitate to contact me
at:
-
- Philip Mantle, 1 Woodhall Drive, Batley,
West Yorkshire, WF17 7SW. Tele:01924 444049. E-mail: el51@dial.pipex.com
-
- __________________________
-
-
- Ray Santilli's Response 6-16-98
-
- THE TENT FOOTAGE
-
- Philip Mantel has informed me that he
has secured an interview from someone claiming to have information regarding
the "Tent Footage".
-
- As a great deal has been made of the
so called "Tent Footage" I would like to clarify the situation
and place the following on record:
-
- The Tent Footage was the first film material
I collected from the cameraman, it was in the form of 16mm film and in
very poor condition. I brought it back to England and asked a studio facility
in Buckinghamshire to retrieve whatever image they could from it. A few
weeks after delivery the Studio presented me with the film which has become
known as the ""Tent Footage" I was told that this was all
that could be retrieved from the film.
-
- I had informed the cameraman by telephone
that we were able to retrieve some image and indeed showed the film to
Philip Mantel and other interested parties.
-
- I returned to the States later to collect
the main film and showed the "Tent Footage" on VHS to the cameraman.
At this point he stated that he DID NOT remember either the image being
portrayed or the style in which it had been filmed. I was concerned but
collected the remaining film (which was in far better condition) and returned
to the United Kingdom.
-
- Upon my return I contacted the studio
to find out more about the images from the "Tent Footage". I
got the impression that as a joke the film had been interfered with, but
nobody was owning up. This meant that with regard to the "Tent Footage"
I was uncertain as to what was real and what was not, and if the film had
been interfered with, I could not use it. THIS IS WHY I COMPLETLY PULLED
BACK FROM USING THE FILM.
-
- As a result I INFORMED ALL PARTIES that
had come into contact with the Tent Footage (and I am sure they will confirm
this) that I was NOT CONFIDENT with regard to the Tent Footage and further
that it should NOT be used in conjunction with the autopsy film, this instruction
went to all broadcasters including Fox (Kiviat).
-
- Indeed when Kiviat wanted to use the
Tent Footage for a subsequent program I was totally against it. However
he still wished to use it and to that end he provided me with a written
disclaimer dated NOVEMBER 1995 which was to be used during the broadcast.
In the end I won the point and the film was not used. The situation regarding
the Tent Footage was known to all, it was not appropriate to use as it
may have been interfered with.
-
- It was the only thing I could do, as
I did not want it to compromise the main autopsy film.
-
- I believe I did the responsible thing
in removing the "Tent Footage" from circulation at the very beginning.
-
- My position regarding the Autopsy film
and the reels recovered remains unchanged. Any discussion regarding the
Tent Footage is completely irrelevant. I DID NOT USE THAT STUDIO AGAIN,
AND NEITHER THE STUDIO OR ANYONE ASSOCIATED WITH THE STUDIO HAD ANYTHING
WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH THE AUTOPSY FILM.
-
- THE AUTOPSY FILM IS WHAT IT IS, AND NOTHING
WILL CHANGE THAT.
-
- Ray Santilli
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