- This testimony from a former US Army
Signal Corps and CIA officer is the latest to confirm that the US government
and military are withholding the facts about extraterrestrial craft and
- by Linda Moulton Howe © 1998 LMH
Productions PO Box 300, Jamison, PA 18929-0300, USA Telephone: (215) 491
9840 Fax: +1 (215) 491 9842 by Linda Moulton Howe © 1998
- Since my new book, Glimpses of Other
Realities Volume II: High Strangeness, was released to nationwide US bookstores
on April 1, 1998, I have heard from several ex-military and ex-intelligence
people from around the country. They say the documents and military voices
in my new book have true information about United States Government knowledge
and cover-up of non-humans interacting with Earth.
- And a month ago, in May, I was put in
phone contact with a man I will simply call "Kewper" to protect
his identity at his request. Kewper served as a First Lieutenant with the
US Army Signal Corps and was a CIA administrator at an Army base in the
southeastern USA from 1957 to 1960. He provided his DD-214 and Certificate
of Discharge along with a 1956 newspaper article about his being drafted.
That civilian name and Army Signal Corps base of operations were consistent
with the Army discharge papers.
- I would name the Army base, but as you
read further you will see that Kewper was asked by a government watchdog
to withhold that information in order to protect current CIA-sensitive
and classified operations out of the same base in 1998.
- Back in the 1957 to 1960 period, Kewper
taught radio operations and cryptography to Army Signal Corps officers
under a false identification assigned to him by the CIA. The head of that
Signal Corps school had worked for the Office of Strategic Services (OSS)
during World War II. The OSS became the Central Intelligence Agency in
1947. In addition to teaching, Kewper's CIA boss at the Army base asked
Kewper to help analyse Top Secret cases gathered for the Air Force's Project
Blue Book investigation of unidentified flying objects.
- When I first talked with Kewper a month
ago, he said his security oaths expired 30 to 35 years after he got out
of the Army and CIA in 1960. So that period ended around 1995. Therefore,
he said, he now feels he's not doing anything wrong by discussing with
me his extraordinary first-hand knowledge and experiences concerning "extraterrestrials"as
he said they were referred to in the Top Secret classified files he'd read
and analysed. However, a month ago he was not certain he wanted to go on
the public record.
- On Saturday, May 30, I called him again
to ask if he might now be willing to do a radio interview as long as his
real civilian name was withheld. Since 1993 I have been reporting science
and environmental news for the nationally syndicated Chancellor Radio Broadcasting
Network. Kewper surprised me when he immediately said, "I'm afraid
your phone is tapped." He'd had a call on Monday, May 25 from a man
who did not explain who he was or for whom he worked, and did not address
Kewper by name but simply started talking. And this is what Kewper told
me on the record, under the condition that I edit out subjects that the
unidentified caller said were still sensitive. Those edits are indicated
by parenthesis notes in the following interview first broadcast on the
North American syndicated radio programs Dreamland, on May 31, 1998, and
Coast to Coast AM Hosted by Art Bell on all-night radio, June 1-2, 1998:
- Howe: You answered the phone and they
- Kewper: Yeah, they didn't repeat my name.
They just said: "We understand that you had a conversation with somebody
in Pennsylvania in regards to classified materials that had been classified,
and we would appreciate it if you didn't bring up the fact in an interview
or television interviews in regards to [Army base name deleted] that you
had mentioned on the telephone, and also about anything going on in the
[CIA aerial logistics deleted] or anything in regard to that. We would
really appreciate it because reporters and just interested people, if it
gets aired, may try to get into the classified area thereand, of course,
to their own physical harm."
- Howe: They did not say that you could
not talk about the six-fingered humanoid film?
- Kewper: No; nothing like that.
- Howe: Well, then, could we do an interview
today? Not for name attribution but to put you on the radio as a person
who servedand you can tell me how you want it describedand who saw this
film, and you could try to give me the year. Can we do that?
- Kewper: Yeah, I guess so, as long as
I don't bring up anything about...
- Howe: So you were getting the reports
that Project Blue Book was collecting; that they were allowing to the public
only those they were explaining. You were actually handling the files that
- Kewper: Yes. Probably not all of them,
but at least we were one of the groups investigating the unexplained. I
know when they closed down Project Blue Book they said they had found absolutely
nothing as far as what they did in Project Blue Book that wasn't explained.
And that was actually true because anything they didn't explain would be
sent to Fort Belvoir in Virginia and then farmed out from there to other
military. The FBI was involved with some of the things, too, I know, because
FBI would show up on some of these peoples' doorsteps.
- Howe: What were the years that you were
personally working in the CIA and handling these highly classified reports
related to the UFO phenomenon?
- Kewper: 1957 to 1960. I was in the service
starting in 1956, but I didn't get involved with this in the first year,
- Howe: And your rank was what and in which
- Kewper: I was in the Army and a First
Lieutenant. I was still actually in the Army Signal Corps, but I also worked
for the CIA, too, because I was getting two paychecks. I was getting one
from the CIA and one from military service.
- Howe: Now, in the course of this work
from 1957 to 1960, did you see any 16-mm films related to this phenomenon?
- Kewper: In regard to UFOs in Roswell,
- Howe: Right.
- Kewper: The only film I saw is the one
that has been released in the last couple of years showing an alien autopsy.
I saw that very same film in 1957.
- Howe: And what were the circumstances
in which you saw this?
- Kewper: It was in regard to studying
UFOs, in working up and going through and trying to cover or investigate
some of these folders we had in regard to the different sightings. Apparently
someone at Fort Belvoir, Virginia, sent that film to my boss. The team
viewed the thing one Saturday morning and he had to send it right back
to Fort Belvoir again. But we did see that one. And we also saw several
other at that time highly classified UFO sightings on film. We had one
film showing a UFO actually developing or materialising over a power plant
out in one of the western states like Oregon or Washington or Utahsomewhere
out in that area.
- Howe: You mean someone just happened
to be filming?
- Kewper: Yes. Someone was trying a brand
new camera and they were filming this power plant. First, the mountainous
areas around, and then they were over to this power plant. The power plant
had a smokestack and had some smoke going on up. And a little ways away
from where the smoke was going up, we started seeing little white, round...like
a little piece of a cloud. It got more and more dense, and more and more
round. And pretty soon you could see little tiny windows around the bottom
section. I'm just using "windows" as a term loosely. It developed
more and more, and pretty soon it looked real silver, and soon it started
flying off by itself, slowly.
- Howe: So you had on film, in Central
Intelligence Agency work, we'll call it an actual materialisation of what
appeared to be a hard, silver disc that literally just emerged from what
looked like a vaporous cloud?
- Kewper: Yes; just a little ways from
a cloud emitted by the smokestack. So we thought at that time that these
aliens must have some way of materialising or travelling from one area
to another and materialising, by using the current that was down in the
power plant somehow to change the electric currents...into something electromagnetic
or something solid, like solid material.
- Howe: Now, how was the autopsy/dissection
of the six-fingered humanoid film presented to you? What was the explanation
of how this had occurred?
- Kewper: They just said that this was
done at Roswell, the same day or day afterthe same, I thinkthe craft was
picked up at night; that some time during the next day this autopsy was
performed there at the military base, and also an autopsy was performed
in town in the little clinic or hospital they have there.
- Howe: Now that would contradict the statement
released with the autopsy/dissection film by the alleged cameraman who
said he was there and filmed the wreckage and the beams that had the symbols,
and that about two weeks later, I believe, he was asked to go to some place
to film the autopsy dissection. Do you know how to reconcile these two
pieces of information?
- Kewper: No, I don't, because we were
toldit mentioned right in the filmthat it was done in New Mexico, that
most of the film was done right there at the military base outside of Roswell
and that some little parts of the film were done at the local hospital
- Howe: And what was the briefing to you
about these six-fingered humanoids? How were they described? Was there
- Kewper: There was little info in regards
to that. The film was about 10 years old at that time, and they just said
this was the only film that we have of the aliens and the body. There are
pictures that have been taken by different private people showing these
aliens walking around outside their craft, something like that, but this
is the only film that we have that shows a close picture of the aliens
and exactly what they look like. So, if you run across any more of these
sightings that people have sent in that describe this particular being,
then you can match them up according to this.
- Howe: Was the film you saw in black and
white or colour?
- Kewper: It was black and white.
- Howe: And did you ever see any colour
film or photographs of these beings?
- Kewper: No, not of the beings. The only
coloured film I remembered seeing was of that spaceship materialising.
- Howe: Now, you were working for the CIA
and this was tangential to Project Blue Book. How were you shown this film?
What were the screening conditions? Were you in Washington? Were you in
- Kewper: Yeah, they sent this down to
[location deleted at Kewper's request after anonymous phone call referenced
in introduction to this interview] and we looked at the film. Then my boss
had to send it right back the next day by a special courier they had running
between Fort Belvoir and CIA headquarters.
- Howe: How many of you were there?
- Kewper: About 20 of us. There were 26
people involved altogether in our group, and I would say that about 20
of us saw it. Some were overseas at the time. A lot of the UFO pictures
that we got were not from the United States; they were European, Central
American, Mexican, and South American sightings of UFOs. One was an Italian
film. So I believe we got it down there at the CIA because the CIA had
facilities in all these foreign countries to be able to try to verify some
of these things; because we had men in all the different parts of the world.
- Howe: So this was your first visual sort
of experience with something non-human. Do you remember what you thought
at the time?
- Kewper: Yeah, I was kind of perplexed.
I thought: How can this be? How can these beings come here? How can they
be completely different from man?
- Howe: But sort of resembled us in a humanoid-shape
- Kewper: Yes, they did; they did resemble
us. That particular alien, the six-fingered alienyou might say it didn't
resemble us completely, but it looked like a miniature man with a smaller
head, but it wasn't the great big narrow face with the big eyes. It didn't
have ears like we have; it had a little circle around a hole inside of
its skull. The ears didn't look like [ours]. The nose looked basically
like [ours] and the mouth was much smaller.
- Howe: Do you remember if this film was
shown to you in 1957, 10 years after 1947? Was there any knowledge then
among the intelligence agencies from any communication with these beings
about what their origin was?
- Kewper: Nothing really. While I was there,
the whole three years, we never saw any information about where they came
from and what they were doing here. Nothing was ever brought out in regards
to that. My boss and I were both wondering about that: Why were they here?
Why would they come here? And where were they from? During that period
of time, as far as I know, the government had no idea where they were from
or what they were trying to do here.
- Howe: From a military and CIA point of
view, were they considered a threat?
- Kewper: Not really a threat, but there
was a questionable threat; and they were working under that assumption
to try to increase the different radar around the country more so that
they could detect if they were coming in from outer space and be able to
get some type of scrambling from the Air Force's nearest base to check
it out or shoot them down or whatever.
- Howe: Were you ever given a briefing
or exposed to any other information between 1957 and 1960 beyond that screening
of the autopsy/dissection film?
- Kewper: I would say no, not during that
time. We just had the various foreign, a few domestic, but mostly foreign
sightings that we had gone over. We had people overseas who would go and
interview these people who had photographs of aliens outside of a saucer,
but nothing at that time. Basically I saw just the film of the autopsy
on that particular being; but, like I mentioned, when I went to Area 51
in 1958 I did see another type of a being where it was the peaked face,
the great big eyes and the little chin that has always been termed a "grey",
- Howe: Okay, can you describe that experience?
- Kewper: We were out there for a meeting
of all the CIA people around this country and over towards the Far East
and so on, and we had the meeting there at Area 51. We were involved with
this Project Blue Book thing and they wanted the meeting there, so some
of us involved directly with itthere were only five of us that went from
[name of Army base deleted] and we were the only five that had the meeting
out there. They had meetings right in the main buildings of the Air Force,
a little base they had there.
- Howe: At Nellis AFB in Nevada.
- Kewper: Yes. But we went out to Groom
Lake area and the two areas they had out there. They showed it to us, but
only to us and not to the CIA people from the Far East or from Central
America. They didn't go out there; it was only the five of us. We landed
at Area 51 at the main landing strip. Then we got into a van-type of small
minibus. After that, we didn't stop to get into any other buildings there.
- They took us down about 10 miles away,
something of that nature, and stopped at the first special area. And they
took us into the area there, and they had U-2s and also the SR-71 BlackbirdsI
believe they were flying them at that time. We were there a short period
of time, and then we got back on the bus and went about another eight miles
to the third and final area where they had highly classified material.
We stopped there and went into an office area first, and then a colonel
there met us and took us on a tour. He took us first of all down a walkway
into a hangar area that had been carved out. It might have been a natural
cave to start out with, but at least it was carved out of the mountainside
area. It was not extremely large.
- Howe: Was this the Papoose mountain range?
- Kewper: I wouldn't really know. I don't
think I ever questioned what the mountains were.
- Howe: Okay, but so I am clear, this is
a colonel who is joining you and your CIA boss and three other CIA men
in your program?
- Kewper: Yes.
- Howe: Were there only six of you?
- Kewper: Yes. As we passed through different
areas, naturally there were other workers and scientists working on different
things, and office personnel.
- Howe: And did you understand what the
reason was that your boss was having you go to have this tour by this colonel?
- Kewper: Yes. They wanted us to see the
craft so when we looked at pictures, trying to identify fake pictures from
the real thing, this would be a help to us. That was the main reason why
we were toured through the area to see the different types of craft, so
we could pick out the [hoaxed] "garbage can covers" from the
- Howe: So the six of you, with the colonel,
your CIA boss, yourself and these three other CIA men involved in this
project, you're going, literally moving, walking into a carved-out area
of a mountain?
- Kewper: Yes.
- Howe: Can you describe exactly what you
- Kewper: As soon as we got in, the first
thing we did see were two small craft.
- Howe: What colour were they?
- Kewper: They were silver, kind of a silver
finish to them; not real shiny and bright, but basically silver.
- Howe: What was the diameter?
- Kewper: About 18 or 20 feet. They were
- Howe: Were you allowed to go over and
- Kewper: No. We were on a walkway area
and couldn't get down over to where the craft were actually sitting.
- Howe: And how many others could you see?
- Kewper: At least about seven, I think.
There were some larger ones that were in the rear towards the end that
we could see down there because they were probably 50 to 60 feet in diameter.
- Howe: Could you see any characteristics
on these? Were any different from another?
- Kewper: They were all disc-shaped, but
some had larger bottom areas that extended down the same as the top, the
top extending up. And they were in different colours. The larger ones in
the rear were a real deep, real dark grey colour, and some of the other
ones were lighter in colour, but maybe like a light- or medium-brown type
of thing. The larger ones in the rear had real large top units and large
bottom units to them and were sitting on metal saw-horses to hold them
up off the ground.
- Howe: And did the colonel try to explain,
or did he have knowledge or any understanding of the propulsion system
of the extraterrestrial craft?
- Kewper: That question was asked, and
he mentioned it was electromagnetic/antigravitational-type engines. But
some of the craft had other propulsion systems also, but he didn't go into
great detail on other propulsions. Apparently it was like antimatter propulsion
on one of the units, something of that nature.
- And I saw they'd tried to reverse-engineer
one craft, so part of it was taken apart. They were trying to figure out
how it works, and he was explaining to us that there really was no physical
motor in that thing. The entire disc was like an electronic circuit, and
the aliens had to be inside of this disc to complete the electronic circuit
to make it fly. The Area 51 people knew that, because they had tried to
make that one fly. It was just like a battery electrical unit; it worked
with antigravitational/electromagnetic drive, but the whole saucer itself
was like the drive of the ship. It was all coated with nickel inside and
it was like a giant circuit, an electronic circuit. And it took the aliens
to complete the circuit because they were tied right in with it: they had
headbands they wore that had detectors on, and they had finger-type board
control where they could fly the craft.
- Howe: Those are the hand-imprinted, six-fingered
control panels that were with that autopsy film?
- Kewper: Yes.
- Howe: And did you see the panels themselves
actually there with the craft?
- Kewper: Yes. They were there with the
craft. They were trying to figure out the electronic circuitry because
there was no wiring of any kind that they could see. But later on when
they had it at Groom Lake, they had a couple of scientists there who used
microscopes to check over the fingertip-control harnessing and found little
fibres going out from it. They found out then that it was a fibre optic
type of electrical transmission throughout the craft.
- Howe: All done with light.
- Kewper: Yes, it was light. The report
I read originally said that when they looked inside the craft it was glowing
with a real thin light inside from all the circuitry fibre optics. Reverse-engineering
of that is apparently where we got fibre optics from.
- Howe: What was the colonel saying to
you about these discs in relationship to where you were going next?
- Kewper: He just stated that these are
some of the craft we have picked up and captured in different parts of
the world. Apparently some of them were even brought in from overseas from
some point or other, but I gathered that most were captured within the
US. He then mentioned that we were going back out to the general office
area and another smaller hangar area to see the being, this extraterrestrial
being, that they had there at that time.
- Howe: Try to walk us through what happened
- Kewper: Okay. We went from the hangar
area where the saucers were, out to a covered walkway area and into an
office complex, I would call it, because it was a bunch of small rooms
and offices. They had a special room for viewing that had one-way windows
in itone-way mirrors, rather. We could look through the window into this
small office, and the being that was in there was not able to see us through
the mirror because there was a mirror on his side.
- Howe: And what happened?
- Kewper: They said we could go in and
talk to this being, and at that time I chose not to go in. Years later,
I wished I had, but I chose not to go in because they did tell us that
the being spoke telepathically. The colonel had more terms added to it
other than telepathically, but the being wouldn't speak in any manner that
we could hear through our ears. So I chose to stay out, and the other four
people did go in.
- Howe: Your boss, the three other CIA
guys and the Colonel Jim?
- Kewper: Yes.
- Howe: Now, can you describe the being
exactly, from your watching this and listening?
- Kewper: What the colonel called him was
a "grey". He had the large head and bigger eyes, kind of slanted
bigger eyes. He looked like he was wearing sunglasses because the lenses
were real dark. He had kind of a slim face down to a peaked chin with just
a little nose area, a tiny slit of a mouth and just holes in the side of
his head for ear openings.
- Howe: About how tall?
- Kewper: About five feet, something like
- Howe: What was the surface of the skin
like in colour and texture?
- Kewper: Yeah, it was greyish looking,
but it looked fairly coarse, not like the smoothness of our skin.
- Howe: Now what happened between your
boss, the three CIA guys and Colonel Jim in that room communicating with
- Kewper: My boss did ask him, "What
are you doing here? And why do you come here?" The only answer he
got was, "We are not here to conquer the Earth. We are not here to
destroy anything. We are here to add knowledge to humans so they can gain
more knowledge in different areas."
- He [the CIA boss] said it was probably
like a 16- or 20-letter name where he was from, but he couldn't remember
what the being said. After he came out and we left, I asked him and he
said, "I don't remember what it was, but it was a real long name that
he had given us as far as where he was from." He'd asked if it was
a part of the galaxy or if that was his planet. He said the being answered
back to him that it was part of a galaxy he was from. Not our galaxy, but
a different galaxy.
- Howe: A different galaxy?
- Kewper: Yes.
- Howe: When the being had "telepathed"
to your boss that it wasn't here to hurt anything but to impart knowledge,
how would they impart knowledge to us if they weren't making themselves
public to the Earth in a straightforward way?
- Kewper: I remember my boss mentioning
that when he said that, he denoted the creature was stretching the truth
or lying just by the tone of the answer, this type of thing; that he wasn't
telling the truth altogether, you know.
- Howe: Did your boss and the other men
explain to you how the telepathic process went? What did they experience?
- Kewper: They said they definitely weren't
hearing a thing through their ears and that the voice they heard more or
less was right in the mind itself. They could put their fingers in their
ears and they would still hear the being. One tried that; he plugged both
ears to see if he could still hear the being, and he could.
- Howe: Oh, you could see through the glass
that one of the men actually put his fingers in his ears?
- Kewper: Yes, to see if he was actually
hearing the being, and he wasn't, but he just heard what the being said
right in his mind.
- Howe: What was the sound of the being
in his mind?
- Kewper: He said the voice almost sounded
like an electronically reproduced voice. And now, of course, we have computers
that can talk to us and answer the phone with a computer voice. Back in
those days, that type of thing was just beginning with computers. He said
it didn't sound like a human voice: it sounded like an electronic voice.
- Howe: Neither male nor female?
- Kewper: Neither one, sort of in between.