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Carpenter Genes
Why Darwinian Evolution Is Flatly Impossible
By Lloyd Pye <lloydpye@i-55.com>
9-2-98

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REMEMBRANCE OF THINGS PAST
 
Next year, 1999, will be the 140th anniversary of the publication of Charles Darwin's On The Origin Of Species. In that landmark volume he postulated that life on Earth had developed into its millions of forms through a long, slow series of fundamental changes in the physical structure of all living things, plants and animals alike. Though small and gradual, these changes would be relatively constant. Bit by imperceptible bit, gills would turn into lungs, fins would turn into limbs, scales would turn into skin, bacteria would turn into us. The problem for Darwin, and for all Darwinists since, came when the mechanism behind those changes had to be explained.
 
Because Darwin's era was only beginning to understand cellular function (Gregor Mendel's treatise on genetics did not appear until 1865), Darwin proposed a system of gradual physiological improvements due to small, discreet advantages that would accrue to the best-adapted progeny (his famous 'survival of the fittest') among all living things (a bit stronger, a bit swifter, a bit hardier), making them subtly different from their parents and producing offspring with similar advantages accruing in their physiological makeup. When enough small changes had compounded themselves through enough generations....voila! A new species would have emerged, sexually incompatible with the original parent stock, yet inexorably linked to it by a common physiological heritage.
 
Once cellular function came to be better understood, particularly the importance of DNA as the 'engineer' driving the entire train of life, it was quickly embraced as the fundamental source of change in Darwin's original model. Darwinian evolution, as it came to be called, was indisputably caused by mutations at the genetic level. Because such mutations were obvious to early geneticists, and could eventually be induced and manipulated in their laboratories, it seemed beyond doubt that positive mutations in DNA sequencing were the key to explaining evolution. That left neutral mutations exerting no effect, while negative mutations afflicted only the unlucky individuals who expressed them but had no lasting impact on a species' collective gene pool.
 
 
DARWIN'S BLACKEST BOX
 
In 1996 Michael Behe, a biochemistry professor at Lehigh University in Bethlehem, Pa., published a book called Darwin's Black Box. He defined a 'black box' as any device that functions perfectly well, but whose inner workings remain mysterious because they cannot be seen or understood. To Charles Darwin the living cell was an impenetrable black box whose inner workings he could not even imagine, much less understand. To scientists today the cell box is no longer quite as black, but it is still dark enough to leave them with only a faint understanding of how it works. They know its basic components and the functions of those components, but they still don't know how all those pieces fit together to do what cells do--live.
 
Life is still every bit the profound mystery it was in Darwin's day. Many additional pieces of the puzzle have found their way onto the table since 1859, but scientists today are not much closer to seeing the whole picture than Darwin or his cronies. That is an ironic reality which few modern Darwinists will accept in their own hearts and minds, much less advertise to the world in general. So they supply the media with intellectual swill that the media, in turn, unknowingly palms off as truth, while the scientists edgily cross their fingers and hold their breath in the hope that someday, maybe even someday soon, but certainly before the great unwashed get wise to the scam, they will finally figure out the great secret...they will see into the heart of the universe's blackest box...they will understand how life actually works, from the first moment of the first creation to evolution itself.
 
 
SHALL WE GATHER AT THE RIVER?
 
Darwinists teach and preach that life began spontaneously in a mass of molecules floating freely in the Earth's earliest rivers and seas. Those molecular precursors somehow formed themselves into organic compounds that somehow formed themselves into the very first living organism. This incredible feat of immaculately choreographed bioengineering was, Darwinists insist, accomplished without the aid of any outside agency, such as a Prime Mover (what some would call 'God'), and especially not anything extraterrestrial. It was done using only the materials at hand on the early Earth, and accomplished solely by the materials themselves, with a probable assist from a perfectly timed, perfectly aimed lightning bolt that, in the most serendipitous moment imaginable, swirled tens of thousands, or even hundreds of thousands of inanimate molecules into a living entity.
 
For as glibly as Darwinists have fashioned and promoted this scenario in schools to this day, the complexity of its mechanics might challenge the creative skills of a busload of Prime Movers. Countless lipids have to somehow be coaxed to form a membrane that somehow surrounds enough strands of DNA to create a cell that can manage life's two most basic functions: it must absorb organic and inorganic compounds in its environment and turn them into proteins, which can then be converted into energy and excreta; and it must have the ability to reproduce itself ad infinitum. If all of those varied factors, each a bona fide miracle in itself, do not occur in the precise order demanded by all living cells for their tightly orchestrated, step-by-step development, then the entire process becomes laughably improbable.
 
British astronomer Fred Hoyle has offered the classic analogy for this scenario, stating that its actual likelihood of being true and real equals 'that of a tornado sweeping through a junkyard and correctly assembling a Boeing 747.' It did not and could not happen then, just as it cannot be made to happen now. The very best our biochemists can do today is construct infinitesimal pieces of the puzzle, leaving them little nearer to seeing how life truly works than Darwin and his cohorts 140 years ago. But why? What's the problem? Haven't we cracked the atom? Haven't we flown to the moon? Haven't we mapped the ocean floors? Yes, yes, and yes. But those things were easy by comparison.
 
 
LOOKING FOR LIFE IN ALL THE WRONG PLACES
 
If the Darwinists are so wrong, where are they wrong? What is the fundamental mistake they are making? It has to do with where they are looking, which is the cell, inside the cell, and specifically at the functioning of DNA. Because the twisting double-helix of DNA contains the instructions for all of life's processes, the assumption has always been that disruptions in the patterns of those instructions are the only logical explanation for how physiological changes at both the micro (small) and macro (large) level must be created and executed. In other words, changes in DNA (mutations) must be the engine driving all aspects of evolutionary change. Nothing else makes sense.
 
Sensible or not, however, it is wrong. Why? Because in 1984 a group of British researchers decided to do an experiment utilizing what was then considered to be a universal truth about genes, handed down from Gregor Mendel himself: the idea that genes are sexless. Mendel had postulated that a gene from either parent, whether plant or animal, was equally useful and effective throughout the lifetime of the individual possessing it. This was taken as gospel until those British researchers tried to create mouse embryos carrying either two copies of 'father' genes or two copies of 'mother' genes. According to Mendel's laws of inheritance, both male and female embryos should have developed normally. After all, they had a full complement of genes, and if genes were indeed sexless they had all they needed to gestate and thrive.
 
The researchers were stunned when all of their carefully crafted embryos were dead within a few days of being transferred to a surrogate mother's womb. How could it happen? What could have gone so wrong in a scenario that couldn,t go wrong? They were completely baffled. But what they didn't know, and what many refuse to accept even now, fourteen years later, is that they had unwittingly opened their own--and their icon's--darkest, blackest box. They had ventured into a region of the cell, and of the functioning of DNA, that they hadn,t imagined was off-limits. And by taking that inadvertent journey they ended up forging an entirely new understanding of Mendelian inheritance, while driving a stake through the already weakened heart of Darwinian evolution.
 
 
A TIME TO LIVE AND A TIME TO DIE
 
Normally, father genes or mother genes control the expression of their own activity. A father gene might give, for example, the signal for a crop of head hair to grow--to 'express' itself--and to stop expressing when the follicles had been constructed in their proper places in the scalp. The cessation of the expressing process is called methylation, which is the surrounding of expressing genes with clusters of chemicals that shut them off (picture the cap being put back on a toothpaste tube). In the same way, a mother gene might express a pair of eyes and then, when they were completed, 'methylate' the gene's growth processes into inactivity.
 
Until 1984, it was believed that all genetic function operated the same way. If a gene or suite of genes came from Dad's side of the mating process, then those genes managed their own affairs from birth until death. And the same held true for genes coming from Mom's side of the mating. But certain genes turned out to exhibit radical differences, depending on whose side of the mating process they came from. When the female mouse embryos died, it was found that genes vital to their growth had inexplicably never been turned on at all, while still others were never turned off (methylated) and spiraled unchecked into cancers. Even more baffling, the fatal processes in the all-male embryos were entirely different from those in the all-females. The embryos were dying for reasons that were clearly sex-biased. What could it possibly mean?
 
Imprinted genes were found to be the culprit. Imprinted genes, it turned out, could be expressed by either parent and, incredibly, methylated by the other parent! Somehow, someway, by means not clearly imagined, much less understood, genes from one parent had the ability to independently begin or end processes that were critical to the lives of forming embryos. In the world of genetics as it had always been perceived, that was impossible. Only a localized (sexless) gene should be able to control its own destiny or purpose, not a separate gene from an entirely different parent. Cooperating genes broke all the rules of physical inheritance that had been written by Gregor Mendel. Yet imprinted genes do, in fact, disregard Mendel's rules; and by doing so they provide the above mentioned stake that will inevitably be driven through the heart of classic Darwinian evolution.
 
 
LIFE'S BLUEPRINT WRIT WRONG
 
So far geneticists have identified about 20 imprinted genes embedded within the 80,000 to 100,000 believed to comprise the entire human genome. New ones are discovered on a regular basis, with many geneticists predicting the final tally will reach hundreds, while others suspect the total might reach into the thousands. But whether hundreds or thousands, any imprinted genes at all means that classic Darwinism can no longer count on mutations in DNA as a plausible mechanism for fundamental physical change.
 
For mutations to be acceptable as the engine of Darwinian change, they have to be able to occur in isolation and then, as stated earlier, pass themselves intact to succeeding generations. By definition that means they have to be able to regulate their own functions, both to express and to methylate their genetic processes. Whenever a trait mutates, whether a longer limb, a stronger muscle, or a more efficient organ, it should pass into the gene pool whole and complete, not half of it being expressed from the male side of a pairing and half from the female side. Why? Because both parents would have to mutate in complementary ways at the same time to the same degree...and then they would have to find each other and mate in order to have even a chance to pass the mutation on!

Natural mutations, while statistically rare, are clearly documented. They can be neutral, negative, or positive. So when geneticists contend that isolated mutations in DNA can occur and be passed on to succeeding generations, they first assume the individual with the mutation has been fortunate enough to have the correct one out of the three possibilities. They further assume the individual survives the brutal winnowing process Darwin so correctly labeled 'survival of the fittest.' But fittest or not, any fledgling animal or plant must contend with an infinite number of ways to miss the boat to maturity. Assuming that passage is safe, the lucky individual with the positive mutation has to get lucky several more times to produce enough offspring so that at least a few of them possess his or her positive mutation and also survive to maturity to pass it along. It is a series of events every bit as unlikely as Fred Hoyle's tornado sweeping through a junkyard, but at least it is remotely feasible.
 
Imprinted genes neatly sever those imperceptible threads of feasibility by making it literally impossible for any mutation, positive or otherwise, to effect more than the individual expressing it. There is certainly no way for it to work its way into a gene pool regulated by imprinted genes. Why? For the reasons just stated above: for a mutation to be implemented, it must be beneficial and it must be paired with a similar change in a member of the opposite sex. Thus, if only a handful of genes are capable of being turned on and off by different parents, then Darwinian evolution has no place in the grand scheme of life on Earth. Imprinting shoves Darwinists well beyond any hope of feasibility, to a region of DNA where change is incapable of being positive.
 
 
TIMING REALLY IS EVERYTHING
 
What we are really talking about with imprinting processes is timing, the most exquisite and incomprehensible faculty any gene possesses. By knowing when--and being able--to turn on and off the millions to billions of biological processes that create and sustain living organisms, genes control the switches that control life itself. In effect, whatever controls the timing switches controls the organism. If, for example, only one methyl group misses its turn-off signal on an expressing gene, the resultant non-stop expressing will lead to cellular overproduction and, ultimately, cancer. Conversely, if only one gene fails to express when it should, at the very least a seriously negative event has occurred, and at worst the organism has suffered a catastrophe that will terminate its life.
 
More important than this, however, is that timing sequences cannot be altered in any way, shape, or form that will not be detrimental to offspring. In other words, the 'evolution' of a timing sequence in the development of an embryo or a growing offspring simply cannot be favorable in the Darwinian sense. Why? Because in terms of results it is already perfect. And how do we know it is perfect? Because the parents both reached maturity. What is so special about their reaching maturity? It means their own timing sequences performed perfectly in their own embryos, with their initial sperm and egg differentiating in millions of ways to become their bodies. (In plants the same principle holds true). Then their growing period developed perfectly, with its millions of different timing events leading to their limbs and organs growing to their proper sizes and carrying on their proper functions.
 
Any alteration of that perfection can be, and nearly always is, devastating. In golf a putt drops or it doesn't. In timing sequences, they are started and stopped precisely, or not. There is no room for error or improvement (no third condition called 'better'). Thus, no genetic alteration to timing can create the faster legs, larger horns, sharper teeth, etc., called for by Darwin's theory of piecemeal change. This is why gills cannot become lungs, why fins cannot become limbs, why scales cannot become fur or skin. No single timing mechanism can 'evolve' without altering the perfection that has been passed to offspring by parents through untold generations.
 
A good analogy is the building of a house. We start with a blueprint. Analogize this with the genetic blueprint provided by DNA. The former outlines the physical materials that go into a house: wood, nails, sheetrock, doors, etc. The latter outlines the physical materials that go into creating a body: blood, bones, skin, hair, etc. Next, we bring in the carpenters who will build the house. It is they who, following our carefully drawn blueprint, will determine everything that will be done to create our house. More importantly, they will determine when all parts of the house will be built, when any particular process will start and when it will stop. They will build the floor before the walls, the walls before the roof, etc.
 
Building our house is thus a two-part project: what to build, and how and when to build it. It is the same with living organisms, whose carpenter genes (the mysterious timing mechanisms that turn growth processes on and off) determine their success. Now it becomes easy to understand Darwin's fundamental error. While examining the widely varied houses of living organisms, he saw no trace of the invisible carpenters who have the decisive hand in their creation. Therefore, his theory did not--and so far cannot--account for the fact that carpenter genes invariably prohibit alterations.
 
 
IF I HAD A HAMMER
 
As with a house, DNA contains or provides everything necessary to create a particular organism, whether animal or plant. DNA has the further capacity to define and manufacture the physiological materials needed to create the entirety of the organism, precisely when they are needed and to the exact degree they are needed. And, perhaps most wondrous of all, DNA contains the ineffable carpenter genes that determine when each phase of the organism's construction will begin and end. Any organism's parents will have passed to it a set of DNA blueprints of what to build and how to build it, which are nearly always perfect with respect to timing, but allowing slight variations in what is built. On the occasions when faulty timing does lead to tragedy, the imperfections are due to sperm-egg misconnects, or molecular anomalies in DNA caused by radiation or chemicals.
 
Where classic Darwinian evolution completely breaks down is in not allowing carpenter genes to exist separately from end results. Darwinism contends that when any aspect of an organism's materials change (i.e., a mutation in some strand of DNA which changes some aspect of physical structure), that organism's carpenter genes smoothly accommodate the change (alter the blueprint) by adjusting the timing sequences (beginning and end) of that structure's development. This is not reality. A Watusi's thighbone takes just as long to form as a Pygmy's thighbone (about 18 years), so only the end results--their respective sizes--have changed, not their timing processes. This is one reason why all human beings can so easily interbreed, even the unlikely combination of Watusis and Pygmies. Our vast array of underlying genetic timing mechanisms, including our imprinted genes, have been handed down intact (unevolved!) since the beginning of our existence as a species.
 
Thus, what is built can be slowly, gradually altered; how it is built cannot. This obvious fact...this undeniable truth...has the most profound implications: In the carpenter genes of successful organisms, no improvement is possible! And without improvement, via Darwinian change, how could they have evolved? Not just into something from nothing, but into millions of interlocking, tightly sequenced commands that smoothly mesh over extended periods as organisms develop from embryo to birth to sexual maturity? The short answer is, 'They can't.'
 
What all this means, of course, is that everything we think we know about how life develops on Earth is flatly wrong. It means all of our 'experts' are totally mistaken when they tell us that Darwins theory of gradual mutations has led to the development of all species of plants and animals on the planet. Nothing could be further from the truth. Darwinism cannot work now, it has never been able to work, and the time has come for its supporters to stop their intellectual posturing and admit they need to go back to their drawing boards to seek a more plausible explanation for what is surely life's greatest single mystery.



Rebuttals & Comments

Um, why on earth do you have what could possibly be the most inane article I have ever read posted at the beginning of the Sightings web sight. I am referring to the article on evolution. It is a somewhat low brow attempt at discrediting evolution. It is wrong, or inaccurate on so many levels about so much it would take me several hours to go thru it all. You are doing a great diservice to the already shaky crediblility of the Sightings Web Site.
 
I think you just saw the opportunity to put up a kind of cool picture, and went with it. If you had done more than skimmed thru the article and if you knew anything about biology, you would have known how laughable it is. It is obviously written by some creationist, in yet another lame attempt to discredit the biological sciences, to people who aren't well versed enough in biology to discern all the BS he threw in there.
 
 
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Evolution = Change = Reality
By Barry S. Sutter
<bsutter@shasta.com
9-6-98

After reading Mr. Pye's ramblings on why evolution by natural selection is not possible I am reminded of a comic scene from Monty Python's 'The Holy Grail' in which one of the characters explains the premises and logical processes in determining whether or not someone is a witch. The dialogue goes something like this:

"There are ways of telling whether she is a witch."
"Tell us!"
"What do you do with witches?"
"Burn them!"
"What also burns apart from witches?"
"Wood!"
"So, why do witches burn?"
"Cause they're made of wood!"
"How do you tell whether she is made of wood?"
"Does wood sink in water?"
"No, it floats!"
"What also floats in water?"
"A duck!"
"So, logically if she weighs the same as a duck then she's made of wood and
therefore a witch!"
This type of reasoning, like Mr. Pye's, makes for good comedy but does little for convincing the rational mind that the conclusion is justified. To start at the beginning, the title of Pye's piece suggests that somewhere among his confused thoughts he might actually attempt to give an explanation as to why "Darwinian Evolution is Flatly Wrong." Unfortunately there is nothing of the sort to be found. In fact, most of his writing is just extraneous and inaccurate information followed by statements that are absolutely off the chart of reality. After a twisted explanation of what Darwinists supposedly believe and what evolution by natural selection supposedly is, Pye makes an utterly confusing and incoherent argument as to why evolution cannot happen. It is almost as if Mr. Pye has no scientific education whatsoever let alone any education on the theory of evolution by natural selection. I had to suffer through reading this article several times in order to make any rhyme or reason whatsoever out of his arguments.
 
Here is Mr. Pye's basic argument in a nutshell : Premise 1: "Mutations" are needed for evolution to occur. Premise 2: Good "mutations" cannot happen and be passed on. Conclusion: Therefore evolution cannot happen. To give credit where credit is due Pye is correct in that "mutations" are needed for change to occur in a species. But the "mutations" with which nature works with are not necessarily "freaky" deformities or any drastic change whatsoever like the word implies but instead are the ever-so-subtle differences between individuals that make each of us unique. These subtle differences are the raw materials from which nature selects the winners and the losers, hence the term 'natural selection'. It goes without saying that there is variation or "mutation" among all individuals in any given species. This is a most obvious and trivial fact that nobody in their right mind would deny and it is certainly not "statistically rare" as claimed by Pye. Whether one uses the term "mutation" or "variations" the fact remains that we are all physically and mentally slightly different from one another and it therefore follows that ALL of us do NOT have equal chances at reproduction in ALL environmental situations. Without a doubt some individuals will have characteristics which are unquestionably better suited for survival in certain conditions than others and these more suitable survival characteristics will be passed on to the next generation, simple as that. The term 'survival of the fittest' comes to mind when considering the process of evolution but a better term would be 'survival of the most fit to reproduce' because only those that reproduce pass their genetic patterns to the next generation. Simply put, life IS the business of DNA replication as guided by existing environmental pressures of selection.
 
Pye's confusion in this area is summed up in his statement, "..for a mutation to be implemented, it must be beneficial and it must be paired with a similar change in a member of the opposite sex". This is complete nonsense. One need only consider the pairing of a very dark skinned person with a very light skinned person. The offspring will most likely have a skin tone somewhere in between light and dark just as other physical attributes are mixed together in the offspring's form. He may have mom's nose and dad's ears or dad's 20/20 vision or mom's 20/400 vision. There is an obvious blending of genes here which shows that traits and variations are passed from one generation to the next in roughly equal proportions. Is this not obvious? The critical factor that seems difficult for most creationists to understand is the fundamental reality that mother nature has been fine-tuning the replicating molecule for an incredibly vast amount of time. The boiler-plate patterns of the replicating molecule are nothing less than ancient at roughly 4,000 million years of age. Unfortunately, when presented with facts on the age of life the creationists simply deny them, often suggesting that a global catastrophe such as a great flood was responsible for virtually all evidence that does not fit their biblical model of how the world should be. And yet the evidence of ancient life forms literally surround us every day. Much of our infrastructure is built from materials which once occupied the bodies of now extinct plants and animals. Iron ore, for example, in its most readily available form was deposited where it lies by micro-organisms which existed hundreds of millions of years ago. The asphalt in our roads, the fuel in our cars, the limestone(fossilized shellfish) in concrete buildings and sidewalks, and the plastics on our computer keyboards and cases were all once material which occupied the bodies of plants and animals, many of which are now extinct and have been replaced by new species. In fact, something like 90% of all species which have ever existed on this planet are now extinct. Extinction is the rule and not the exception as shown by the incredibly rich and detailed fossil records which, contrary to creationists disinformation, actually do exist and provide us with evidence showing a very long history of life on earth.
 
Consider the following few questions: Why is it that on the relatively new islands of New Zealand there are no indigenous mammals other than bats? Why are there unique species of ground birds which fill the ecological niches that would normally be filled by mammals in New Zealand?
 
Why are human beings the closest living relatives of chimpanzees?
 
Why is there not a bone in the human body for which is not in a chimpanzee? Why does the complexity and diversity of life generally decline the further one delves into the fossil record? Why do people and other animals snore? Why do many micro-organisms eventually become resistant to antibiotics? These are questions to which the strict fundamentalist creationists have no logical answer. And yet evolution by natural selection provides a perfectly reasonable and verifiable explanation for all of these realities.
 
Despite what Pye would have people believe there is absolutely NO debate among credible biologists as to whether or not evolution happened by some type of natural selection. This whole question is really not even up for debate except among the religious fundamentalists. In fact, this debate was held 140 years ago and the creationists lost. Today the theory of evolution is quite acceptable to many religious people including the Pope simply because the evidence is so overwhelming that it must be accommodated in some way. This article makes a poor attempt to explain 'Why Darwinian Evolution is Flatly Wrong' but instead provides good evidence that the only thing "flatly wrong" here is Mr. Pye's flat-earth view of the world.

All the best
Barry S. Sutter


Note: Lloyd Pye offered this comment as a general
rebuttal to responses thus far:
 
Dear Darwinist, Neo-Darwinist, or non-Creationist:
 
Thank you for taking the time to respond to my post about "Carpenter Genes." I am sure you gave your reply a great deal of careful thought and consideration before sending it, just as I did creating the post itself. I am equally sure you can understand that anything dealing with such a controversial issue is going to draw a great deal of response, an amount no writer or researcher could hope to answer on an individual basis.
 
That said, I know full well there are certain things many of you will object to. If those deal with the heart of the matter, which is my research and conclusions regarding imprinted genes or the genetic timing code, then I will eventually address those concerns in a follow-up post that deals with the most effective of the criticisms. If, on the other hand, your concerns deal with my early descriptions of classic Darwinism, let me address that matter now in general terms.
 
First and foremost, I am NOT a Creationist. I think Creationism is every bit as flawed as Darwinism. I think it is time we seek and develop a third alternative, something that draws us closer to the actual truth about the development of life on Earth in general, and human life in particular. That third alternative, whatever it turns out to be, should be free of the constricting dictates of secular authority or religious dogma.
 
Next, please understand that the post is the text of a magazine article. As such, it cannot be written at anywhere near the high level of detail and specification expected by a person like your esteemed self. It is aimed at a general, unspecialized audience, one with a certain concept of Darwinism in mind.
 
Whether you accept it or not, whether you like it or not, the outline I put forth is the general impression and understanding of Darwinism by the mass of ordinary people. Consequently, I had to do a certain degree of compressing and editing to outline the broad parameters and effects of Darwin's theory as it is understood, which is not always the same as what it actually is or was. Please understand and accept that distinction.
 
Just one example: I credit the term "survival of the fittest" to Darwin. Yes, Herbert Spencer did coin the term. But it is inexorably wrapped into the theory itself now, and in the minds of ordinary people Darwin is the source and author of it. Imagine how much space would be required in a restricted 3500 word article to make that distinction so it would be clear to someone who believed otherwise. It is just not worth it in space, nor is it worth it to correct such a mistaken impression when that impression has no real relevance to the main thrust of what I am proposing.
 
The bottom line is, the post is not really meant to convince people like you, nor is it meant to convince people of faith. Both groups are equally committed to zealous protection of their respective paradigms, which is fine with me. By all means, hold onto and defend what you believe. But please don't deny those who don't share your beliefs (and, say what you will, that remains all they are) the opportunity to explore other avenues of enquiry and possible enlightenment.
 
Begging your indulgence,
 
Lloyd Pye






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