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Astonishing WW2 German Flying Disc Technology
The Biggest Secret Of The War Is Finally Being Revealed

By Jeff Rense

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The US 415th NFS encountered German disc weapons launched from below their aircraft over German-held territory which interfered with the aircraft's prop engines. Official photographs and "Foo Fighter" documentation of these German weapons exist and are available to the public despite the USAAF never explaining what that weapon was. Other official US Army and AAF Technical Intelligence Reports from 1945 list similar strange flight craft encountered over the Reich in the last year of the war.

There is also the problem of known German varied disc and circular aircraft programs that can be properly identified which include Focke's Fw Rochen patent, Sack's AS-6 V-1, Epps Omega Diskus test models, Schauberger's Repulsin discoid motors, and Schwenteit Elektrische Luft Turbine und Raumschiff patent postwar that is credited as a Schriever/Miethe disc design from WW2 (the mystery V-7). All this evidence is totally known and there is an abundance of photographic and historic evidence about. There is the German evidence as well from Luftwaffe Sonderb¸ro 13 which was tasked with covering up civilian and military sightings of strange craft over the Reich. On September 29, 1944 a Me-262 pilot on a test run spotted the Andromeda Ger„t cylindrical Raumschiff traveling at 1,200 mph. His report to Sonderb¸ro 13 is official and on file (although the jet pilot had no idea what the unmarked 348 foot long object was). Sonderb¸ro 13 covered it up as an unknown Allied craft.

A Me-262 or even the S„nger Hypersonic Bomber could in no way match the performance of unknown disc craft that could accelerate to Mach 10, make a law-of-physics-defying turn that would kill a human pilot, and then stop in mid-air.

The USAF had knowledge of the German discs because they held them at Wright Patterson AB before transferring them to MacDill AB for scrapping. So they were completely correct with their statement. USAF reporters for the USAF's in-house magazine in the 1960s visited MacDill and gained unauthorized access to the scrap yard for an article on prototype aircraft. Their cameras and film were seized after they saw 4 German discs in the scrap yard. The next month's issue of the USAF magazine was cancelled. The reporters' story is online and in print. Their eyewitness testimony and account is entirely valid - so much in fact that MacDill had to re-transfer the discs back to storage at Wright Patterson. Most people who know about such craft believe the German discs are still held there.

Area 51 was always a black aircraft program (SAP = Special Aircraft Project) base that hosted the U-2, SR-71, stealth demonstrators, F-117, B-2, etc. Maybe the holding bays in S-4 never housed any alien reverse-engineered craft but only German captured EMG discs built by the SS Technical Branch Unit E-IV. That is why they do not show up with the other manufacturers because they were SS property (of Thule and Vril Gesellschaft origin) not under RLM control at all. Reich Armaments Minister Albert Speer himself in his book Infiltration describes his being blocked by Himmler and the SS organization from investigating SS separate military manufacturing facilities, materials accumulated, and projects - including the persistent rumors of the "Flying Tops" and reported of SS requirements made to him for more slave labor needed for such secret projects late war

Vril is confirmed by the 1937 purchase of the fallow land around Arado-Brandenburg for "flight testing". Flight testing of what if no discs existed? Photographic evidence exists for the JFM (Jenseitsflugmachine), the RFZ (Rundflugzeugmachine) series, Haunebu and Vril models 1 J„ger, 7 Geist, 8 Odin, and 9 Abj„ger..,

Thule-Vril RFZ "Rundflugzeug" (Round Aircraft) Series)

ï RFZ-1, disc aircraft prototype 1937
ï RFZ-2, "Fliegende HeissWasserFlasche" (Flying Hot Water Bottle) disc aircraft prototype 1937, performed recon in 1940
ï RFZ-3, disc aircraft prototype 1937
ï RFZ-4, disc aircraft prototype 1938
ï RFZ-5, disc aircraft, re-designated Haunebu I, 1939, 2 produced
ï RFZ-6, disc aircraft prototype 1940
ï RFZ-7, disc aircraft, re-designated Vril 1 J‰ger, 1941, 17 produced

Haunebu, Thule, SS Military Technical Branch E-IV

ï Thule H-Ger‰t Hauneburg Device, Haunebu I disc aircraft, 1939, 2 produced
ï Thule Haunebu II disc aircraft 1942, 5 produced
ï Thule Haunebu II Do-Stra disc aircraft co-produced by Dornier. Do-Stra = DOrnier STRatosph‰ren Flugzeug, 1944, 2 produced
ï Thule Haunebu III disc aircraft, 1945, 1 produced
ï Thule Haunebu IV disc aircraft project

(all discs powered by Thule Triebwerk EMG engines)

Vril, SS Military Technical Branch E-IV/E-V

ï Vril 1 "J‰ger" (Hunter) disc aircraft, 1941, 17 manufactured
ï Vril 2 "Zerstˆrer" (Destroyer) disc aircraft project
ï Vril 3 disc aircraft prototype
ï Vril 4 disc aircraft prototype
ï Vril 5 disc aircraft prototype
ï Vril 6 disc aircraft prototypes, 2 built
ï Vril 7 "Geist" (Spirit) disc aircraft, 1944, several built
ï Vril 8 "Odin" (God Wotan) disc aircraft prototype, 1945
ï Vril 9 "Abj‰ger" (Universal Hunter) disc aircraft prototype, 1945 over occupied Germany
ï Vril 10 "Fledermaus" (Bat) disc project
ï Vril 11 "Teufel" (Devil) disc project
ï Vril Andromeda-Ger‰t "Andromeda Device", 139 meter cylindrical Raumschiffen, 1945 1 built, 1 under construction, built exclusively by SS E-V Unit, powered by 4 Thule Triebwerk EMG engines plus 8 SM-Levitators
ï Vril Andromeda-1 Freyr (Norse God), captured by US Army 1945 partially completed
ï Vril Andromeda-2 Freya (Norse Goddess), one built
ï Vril DORN "Verteidiger" (Defender) unmanned delta craft weapon. "DORN" is either short for DORNier or means (Thorn), Sighted near Pescara, Italy postwar
ï Vril Gammagische Auge, "Magic Eye" recon drone, prototype only

(all discs except Andromeda-Ger‰t powered by Vril Triebwerk EMG engines plus Schumann SM-Levitators)

BMW's wartime Prague facility is known and eyewitness testimony of Georg Klein verifies the Fl¸gelrads as well as Schriever's Flugkreisel on site. All were disc fans with BMW Fl¸gelrads more jet auto-gyro than pure flight disc.

Most people will only know RLM (German Air Ministry) designations and have no clue that the SS had its very own war production capability. It had its own army (the Waffen SS), own religion (Black Sun Order), and own scientific branch (Entwicklungsstelle IV/V). If Albert Speer as Armaments Minister could not gain access to Himmler's weapons programs there is little wonder that the disc craft and other odd machines are thought of as hoaxes of Neo-Nazis and Fourth Reich advocates. But once the individual discs are investigated and patents emerge, photos, documentation, and Allied reports that are both declassified and still classified... then one begins to understand where the entire postwar UFO/Black Project Aircraft started from - the Reich's arsenal of the SS. "Black Projects" are actually SAPs (Special Access Programs)! Fear of real truth vs. official history written by the victorious Allies makes many people want to deny these craft and even modern sightings of strange craft that amazingly stick close to military bases.


The reality of the "Nazi UFOs" has been highly controversial. No really hard historical evidence about the undisputable existence of such advanced technology has been presented so far.

There are some clues and many fascinating rumours that have been creating a real myth about the so-called "Nazi UFOs".

Latest developments of the legend include claims of German space journeys to the Moon, Mars and near stars.

Also of interest are all those rumours about secret Allied developments of original German projects, Nazi underground bases and related stories, like Hitler's Escape and mysterious U-Boots sighted after the end of WWII.

The Haunebu I, II and III space gyros and the Vril I space flying disk had disappeared after May 1945... It is very interesting to note in this context that after its nineteenth test flight, the German Haunebu III is said to have taken off on April 21, 1945, from Neuschwabenland, a vast, officially German territory in the Eastern Antarctic, for an expedition to Mars, about which there is nothing further known. One year later, in 1946, the many sightings that suddenly occurred in Scandinavia of shining objects of unknown and definitely artificial origin caused a great stir among the Allies in East and West. Again one year later, in 1947, and well into the Fifties, a rising number of shining unknown flying objects, doubtlessly steered by intelligent beings, mostly round, disk- or bell-shaped, sometimes cigar-shaped, so-called UFOs appeared over North America.

~Norbert-J¸rgen Ratthofer, Zeitmaschinen

Besides claims of would-be inventors and rumours, there are no original first-hand historical documents about the development of saucer-shaped aircrafts by the Germans. The supporters of the saucers' reality say that most documents and blueprints were destroyed by the Nazis before surrender or captured by the Allied and never released, due to their extreme strategic importance. Investigation for locating possible undisputable sources is still running.

Hitler and the Third Reich led the world into a decade of terror in the first half of the 20th century that culminated in World War II. Technology played a greater part in that war than in past conflicts and the Germans developed an amazing array of secret weapons in a short time. Were flying discs part of the Luftwaffe arsenal? And, if so, was this secret looted and used by the Allied victors after the war?

Some of the German war-time technical advances are well known. The first military jet was the German Heinkel 178 which flew in 1939. In 1943 the Germans also deployed the only jet fighter to go into regular service during the war, the Messerschmitt 262. This German jet could easily overtake the fastest Allied aircraft. Only Hitler's misguided orders that the planes be outfitted as bombers, instead of defensive fighters, saved Allied aircraft from devastating casualties.

Cruise missiles, a staple of current advanced arsenals, were also first used by the Third Reich during the war. V-1 flying bombs were launched from German-held territories across the channel into England. The "buzz bombs," as they were sometimes called because of the sound of their impulse jet engines, could outrun most Allied aircraft making the V-1's almost impossible to stop. The V-1's weakness was its guidance system (a problem solved in modern cruise missiles by the use of computer-controlled radar). Because it couldn't hit a pinpoint target, the V-1 could only be used to cause random terror, not wipe out truly important military assets.

The V-2 rocket was the predecessor of the Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles that filled the nuclear arsenals of the Soviet Union and the United States during the Cold War. It traveled up to 225 miles at five times the speed of sound. A single hit could demolish a city block. During the war the V-2 killed 2724 civilians and injured another 6467. Like the V-1, though, it lacked a guidance system that would have allowed it to strike at important targets.

The Germans even developed a rocket-powered fighter, the Me 163. Though it never was put into regular service, it was the first aircraft to fly faster than 600 miles an hour.

Is it possible that the list of secret weapons produced by Nazi Germany included flying saucers? Did they actually deploy disc shaped fighters or at least experiment with them?

Some of the earliest stories about German flying saucers date back to an inventor named Viktor Schauberger. Schauberger was born in Austria in 1885 and was considered by many to be a crackpot. Schauberger himself said:

They call me deranged. The hope is they are right...

Schauberger believed that machines could be designed better so that they would be "going with the flow of nature" rather than against it.

One of Schauberger's projects was to produce a flying machine, saucer shaped, that used a "liquid vortex propulsion" system. His theory was that "if water or air is rotated into a twisting form of oscillation, known as a 'colloidal,' a build-up of energy results, which, with immense power, can cause levitation."

According to stories Schauberger built several models, one of which was almost five feet in diameter and was powered by a 1/20 hp electric engine. Some reports indicated that one of the models actually flew. There are also reports that, according to letter Victor Schauberger wrote to a friend, a full-sized prototype of one of his designs was constructed using prison labor at the Mauthausen concentration camp. This craft flew on February 19th of 1945 near Prague and obtained an altitude of 45,000 feet in only 3 minutes. The letter goes on to say the prototype was destroyed by the Nazis before it could be captured by the Allies.

After the war Schauberger moved to the United States, where some contend he worked on secret projects for the U.S. government. He died in 1958, apparently claiming his ideas had been stolen.

Another German designer involved with the Nazi effort during the war was Rudolf Schriever. Schriever, along with some other engineers named Habermohl, Miethe and Bellanzo apparently came up with several disc-shaped aircraft designs that used more conventional power sources than those Schauberger envisioned. One of Schriever's drawings shows an egg-shaped cockpit surrounded by a rotating fan-like disc that provided the lift. A Miethe drawing depicts a smooth flat saucer with an elongated hump on its back for the cockpit. Both would have been powered by jet engines.

As with Schauberger, there were reports that some of these designs were actually built. The Schriever machine was said to have been tested in 1945 and to have reached an altitude of 12 kilometers in a little over three minutes. It had a top speed of 2000 kilometers an hour.

There is no real, solid evidence, though, that a test flight ever took place and Schriever himself, who relocated to the United States after the war, indicated that any prototypes of the craft were destroyed, before flying as the Germans abandoned their facilities in the face of advancing Allied troops.

Stories also persist that the Germans's also had developed small automatized flying discs.

The Feuerball and Kugelblitz stories seem to parallel tales of foo-fighters" told by Allied pilots during the war. Despite this it seems unlikely that Feuerballs and Kugelblitzs were ever actually built or flown. The "foo-fighters" observed were probably some purely natural phenomena. No Allied plane ever reported being attacked by a foo-fighter and it is likely that if the Germans had invented a device capable of tracking planes as well as the foo-fighters apparently did, they would have soon armed it with some effective weapon.

So were there really any German disc-shaped aircraft?

It seems likely that there was certainly some experimentation with the concept within the Reich. Disc-shaped aircraft have several advantages, including low stall speed and low drag, even at high speeds. The rounded shape can also lower the craft's radar profile making it "stealthy." For these reasons German designers did consider using disc shaped aircraft, as did the U.S.

The low stall/drag of the shape was particularly important to the Germans at the end of the war. Months of bombing had reduced German runways to rubble. A saucer shaped craft could have lifted off the ground like a vertical-takeoff-and landing (VTOL) aircraft without a runway at all.

It is certain that they produced some models or prototypes, though, it is unlikely that if these machines flew they obtained the outstanding climb and speed figures some stories suggest. These stories may be difficult to disprove, though, since in the chaos at the end of the War, many records were lost or destroyed.

Rumors are likely to continue that the Nazis developed flying saucer technology that was then stolen by the United States and the Soviet Union after the war. This latter suggestion is not wholly without merit, since US and USSR rocketry development after WWII owed a lot to German scientists who were recruited to assist in the superpowers Cold War space programs through an operation known as "Paperclip." There are records, exposed by author Jim Wilson in a Popular Mechanics article in July 1997, that suggest that at least two brothers, Walter and Reimar Horten, were sought by the United States after the war because of their participation in German military saucer programs.

Some saucer stories about Germany developed after the War, rather than during it. In particular there is a book, UFOs: Nazi Secret Weapons? in which the author, Ernst Z¸ndel, suggests Hitler escaped at the end of the war to establish a flying saucer base in Antarctica at the entrance of a hole that leads to a hollow "inner Earth."

Since science has pretty well established that the Earth isn't hollow, it seems these stories can be disregarded. As for the existence of German WWII flying discs, though, it is a possibility that may never fully be disproved.


Nazi UFOs

The idea that Nazi Germany developed highly advanced aircraft or spacecraft appears in fiction as early as 1947. In Robert A. Heinlein's novel Rocket Ship Galileo, the protagonists discover Nazi fugitives living in a base on the moon. However, the idea is not limited to science fiction. Academic Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke, in Black Sun: Aryan Cults, Esoteric Nazism and the Politics of Identity, has documented a fringe belief that the Nazis developed flying saucers (Haunebu or Hauneburg-Ger‰te, and Reichs- or Rund-Flugscheiben) that they launched, and continue to launch, from a base in the Antarctic territory of New Swabia (Neu-Schwabenland). He includes the theory under the heading of "esoteric Nazism," an ideology that hopes for Nazi restoration through supernatural or paranormal means.

Historical connections

Nazi UFO theories agree with mainstream history on the following points:

ï Nazi Germany claimed the territory of New Swabia, sent an expedition there in 1938, and planned others.

ï Nazi Germany conducted research into advanced propulsion technology, including rocketry and Viktor Schauberger's turbine work.

ï Some UFO sightings during World War II, particularly those known as Foo Fighters, were thought to be enemy aircraft.

Early references

The earliest non-fictional reference to Nazi flying saucers appears to be a series of articles by and about Italian turbine expert Giuseppe Belluzzo. The following week, German scientist Rudof Schriever claimed to have developed flying saucers during the Nazi period.

Aeronautical engineer Roy Fedden remarked that the only craft that could approach the capabilities attributed to flying saucers were those being designed by the Germans towards the end of the war. Fedden also added that the Germans were working on a number of very unusual aeronautical projects, though he did not elaborate upon his statement.

Revisionist claims

Pauwels and Bergier

A 1967 book by Louis Pauwels and Jacques Bergier, Aufbruch ins dritte Jahrtausend: Von der Zukunft der phantastischen Vernunft, made many spectacular claims about the Vril Society of Berlin. It claimed that the society had made contact with an alien race and dedicated itself to creating spacecraft to reach the aliens. In partnership with the Thule Society and the Nazi Party, it developed a series of flying disc prototypes. With the Nazi defeat, the society allegedly retreated to a base in Antarctica and vanished.

Ernst Z¸ndel

When German Holocaust denier Ernst Z¸ndel started Samisdat Publishers in the 1970s, he initially catered to the UFOlogy community, which was then at its peak of public acceptance. His main offerings were his own books claiming that flying saucers were Nazi secret weapons launched from an underground base in Antarctica, from which the Nazis hoped to conquer the world. Z¸ndel also sold (for $9999) seats on an exploration team to locate the underground base. Some people who interviewed Z¸ndel about this material claim that he privately admitted it was a deliberate hoax to build publicity for Samisdat, although he still defended it as late as 2002.

Miguel Serrano

In 1978 Serrano, a Chilean diplomat and Nazi sympathizer, published The Golden Band, in which he claimed that Adolf Hitler was an avatar of Vishnu and was then communing with Hyperborean gods in an underground Antarctic base. Serrano predicted that Hitler would lead a fleet of UFOs from the base to establish the Fourth Reich.

Vladimir Terziski

Bulgarian engineer Vladimir Terziski, billing himself as president of the American Academy of Dissident Sciences, has built on the claims of Pauwel and Bergier, claiming that the Germans collaborated in their advanced craft research with Axis powers Italy and Japan, and continued their space effort after the war from New Swabia. He writes that Germans landed on the Moon as early as 1942 and established an underground base there. When Russians and Americans secretly landed on the moon in the 1950s, says Terziski, they stayed at this still-operating base. According to Terziski, "there is atmosphere, water and vegetation on the Moon," which NASA conceals to exclude the third world from moon exploration. Terziski has been accused of fabricating his video and photographic evidence..



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