- Herein is the lecture by D.C.Hammond, originally entitled
"Hypnosis in MPD: Ritual Abuse," but now usually known as the
"Greenbaum Speech," delivered at the Fourth Annual Eastern Regional
Conference on Abuse and Multiple Personality, Thursday June 25, 1992, at
the Radisson Plaza Hotel, Mark Center, Alexandria, Virginia. Sponsored
by the Center for Abuse Recovery & Empowerment, The Psychiatric Institute
of Washington, D.C. Both a tape and a transcript were at one time available
from Audio Transcripts of Alexandria, Virginia (800-338-2111). Tapes and
transcripts of other sessions from the conference are still being sold
but -- understandably -- not this one. The transcript below was made from
a privately made tape of the original lecture.
- The single most remarkable thing about this speech is
how little one has heard of it in the two years since its original delivery.
It is recommended that one reads far enough at least until one finds why
it's called "the Greenbaum speech."
- In the introduction the following background information
is given for D. Corydon Hammond:
- a.. B.S. M.S. Ph.D (Counseling Psychology) from the University
- b.. Diplomate in Clinical Hypnosis, the American Board
of Psychological Hypnosis
- c.. Diplomate in Sex Therapy, the American Board of Sexology
- d.. Clinical Supervisor and Board Examiner, American
Board of Sexology
- e.. Diplomate in Marital and Sex Therapy, American Board
of Family Psychology
- f.. Licensed Psychologist, Licensed Marital Therapist,
Licensed Family Therapist, State of Utah
- g.. Research Associate Professor of Physical Medicine
an Rehabilitation, Utah School of Medicine
- h.. Director and Founder of the Sex and Marital Therapy
Clinic, University of Utah.
- i.. Adjunct Associate Professor of Educational Psychology,
University of Utah Abstract
- j.. Editor, The American Journal of Clinical Hypnosis
- k.. Advising Editor and Founding Member, Editorial Board,
The Ericsonian Monograph
- l.. Referee, The Journal of Abnormal Psychology
- m.. 1989 Presidential Award of Merit, American Society
of Clinical Hypnosis
- n.. 1990 Urban Sector Award, American Society of Clinical
- o.. Current President, American Society of Clinical Hypnosis
- Subject: The Greenbaum Speech (2/4)
- ``THE GREENBAUM SPEECH of D.C.HAMMOND''
- We've got a lot to cover today and let me give you a
rough approximate outline of the the things that I'd like us to get into.
First, let me ask how many of you have had at least one course or workshop
on hypnosis? Can I see the hands? Wonderful. That makes our job easier.
- I want to start off by talking a little about trance-training
and the use of hypnotic phenomena with an MPD dissociative-disorder population,
to talk some about unconscious exploration, methods of doing that, the
use of imagery and symbolic imagery techniques for managing physical symptoms,
input overload, things like that. Before the day's out, I want to spend
some time talking about something I think has been completely neglected
in the field of dissociative disorder, and that's talking about methods
of profound calming for automatic hyper-arousal that's been conditioned
in these patients. We're going to spend a considerable length of time talking
about age-regression and abreaction in working through a trauma. I'll show
you with a non-MPD patient -- some of that kind of work -- and then extrapolate
from what I find so similar and different with MPD cases.
- Part of that, I would add, by the way, is that I've
been very sensitive through the years about taping MPD cases or ritual-abuse
cases, part of it being that some of that feels a little like using patients
and I think that this population has been used enough. That's part of the
reason, by choice, that I don't generally videotape my work. I also want
to talk a bunch about hypnotic relapse- prevention strategies and post-integration
therapy today. Finally, I hope to find somewhere in our time-frame to spend
on hour or so talking specifically about ritual abuse and about mind-control
programming and brainwashing -- how it's done, how to get on the inside
with that -- which is a topic that in the past I haven't been willing to
speak about publicly, have done that in small groups and in consultations,
but recently decided that it was high time that somebody started doing
it. So we're going to talk about specifics today. [Applause]
- In Chicago at the first international congress where
ritual abuse was talked about I can remember thinking, "How strange
and interesting." I can recall many people listening to an example
given that somebody thought was so idiosyncratic and rare, and all the
people coming up after saying, "Gee, you're treating one, too? You're
in Seattle"...Well, I'm in Toronto...Well, I'm in Florida...Well,
I'm in Cincinnati." I didn't know what to think at that point. It
wasn't too long after that I found my first ritual-abuse patient in somebody
I was already treating and we hadn't gotten that deep yet. Things in that
case made me very curious about the use of mind-control techniques and
hypnosis and other brainwashing techniques. So I started studying brainwashing
and some of the literature in that area and became acquainted with, in
fact, one of the people who'd written one of the better books in that area.
- Then I decided to do a survey, and from the ISSMP&D
[International Society for the Study of Mulptiple Personality and Dissociation]
folks I picked out about a dozen and a half therapists that I though were
seeing more of that than probably anyone else around and I started surveying
them. The interview protocol, that I had. got the same reaction almost
without exception. Those therapists said, "You're asking questions
I don't know the answers to. You're asking more specific questions than
I've ever asked my patients." Many of those same therapists said,
"Let me ask those questions and I'll get back to you with the answer."
Many of them not only got back with answers, but said, "You've got
to talk to this patient or these two patients." I ended up doing hundred
of dollars worth of telephone interviewing. What I came out of that was
a grasp of a variety of brainwashing methods being used all over the country.
- I started to hear some similarities. Whereas I hadn't
known, to begin with, how widespread things were, I was now getting a feeling
that there were a lot of people reporting some similar things and that
there must be some degree of communication here. Then approximately two
and a half years ago I had some material drop in my lap. My source was
saying a lot of things that I knew were accurate about some of the brainwashing,
but it was telling me new material I had no idea about. At this point I
took and decided to check it out in three ritual-abuse patients I was seeing
at the time. Two of the three had what they were describing, in careful
inquiry without leading or contaminating. The fascinating thing was that
as I did a telephone-consult with a therapist that I'd been consulting
for quite a number of months on an MPD case in another state, I told her
to inquire about certain things. She said, "Well, what are those things?"
I said, "I'm not going to tell you, because I don't want there to
be any possibility of contamination. Just come back to me and tell me what
the patient says." She called me back two hours later, said, "I
just had a double session with this patient and there was a part of him
that said, 'Oh, we're so excited. If you know about this stuff, you know
how the Cult Programmers get on the inside and our therapy is going to
go so much faster.'"
- Many other patients since have had a reaction of wanting
to pee their pants out of anxiety and fear rather than thinking it was
wonderful thing. But the interesting thing was that she then asked, "What
are these things?" They were word perfect -- same answers my source
had given me. I've since repeated that in many parts of the country. I've
consulted in eleven states and one foreign country, in some cases over
the telephone, in some cases in person, in some cases giving the therapist
information ahead of time and saying, "Be very careful how you phrase
this. Phrase it in these ways so you don't contaminate." In other
cases not even giving the therapist information ahead of time so they couldn't.
When you start to find the same highly esoteric information in different
states and different countries, from Florida to California, you start to
get an idea that there's something going on that is very large, very well
coordinated, with a great deal of communication and systematicness to what's
happening. So I have gone from someone kind of neutral and not knowing
what to think about it all to someone who clearly believes ritual abuse
is real and that the people who say it isn't are either naive like people
who didn't want to believe the Holocaust or -- they're dirty. [Applause]
- Now for a long time I would tell a select group of therapists
that I knew and trusted, information and say, "Spread it out. Don't
spread my name. Don't say where it came from. But here's some information.
Share it with other therapists if you find it's on target, and I'd appreciate
your feedback." People would question -- in talks -- and say, you
know, they were hungry for information. Myself, as well as a few others
that I've shared it with, were hedging out of concern and out of personal
threats and out of death threats. I finally decided to hell with them.
If they're going to kill me, they're going to kill me. It's time to share
more information with therapists. Part of that comes because we proceeded
so cautiously and slowly, checking things in many different locations and
find the same thing. So I'm going to give you the way in with ritual-abuse
programming. I certainly can't tell you everything that you want to know
in forty-five or fifty minutes, but I'm going to give you the essentials
to get inside and start working at a new level.
- I don't know what proportion, honestly, of patients have
this. I would guess that maybe somewhere around at least fifty percent,
maybe as high as three-quarters, I would guess maybe two-thirds of your
ritual-abuse patients may have this. What do I think the distinguishing
characteristic is? If they were raised from birth in a mainstream cult
or if they were an non-bloodline person, meaning neither parent was in
the Cult, but Cult people had a lot of access to them in early childhood,
they may also have it. I have seen more than one ritual-abuse patient who
clearly had all the kind of ritual things you hear about. They seemed very
genuine. They talked about all the typical things that you hear in this
population, but had none of this programming with prolonged extensive checking.
So I believe in one case I was personally treating that she was a kind
of schizmatic break-off that had kind of gone off and done their own thing
and were no longer hooked into a mainstream group. [Pause]
- Here's where it appears to have come from. At the end
of World War II, before it even ended, Allen Dulles and people from our
Intelligence Community were already in Switzerland making contact to get
out Nazi scientists. As World War II ends, they not only get out rocket
scientists, but they also get out some Nazi doctors who have been doing
mind-control research in the camps.
- They brought them to the United States. Along with them
was a young boy, a teenager, who had been raised in a Hasidic Jewish tradition
and a background of Cabalistic mysticism that probably appealed to people
in the Cult because at least by the turn of the century Aleister Crowley
had been introducing Cabalism into Satanic stuff, if not earlier. I suspect
it may have formed some bond between them. But he saved his skin by collaborating
and being an assistant to them in the death-camp experiments. They brought
him with them. They started doing mind-control research for Military Intelligence
in military hospitals in the United States.
- The people that came, the Nazi doctors, were Satanists.
Subsequently, the boy changed his name, Americanized it some, obtained
an M.D. degree, became a physician and continued this work that appears
to be at the center of Cult Programming today. His name is known to patients
throughout the country. [Pause] What they basically do is they will get
a child and they will start this, in basic forms, it appears, by about
two and a half after the child's already been made dissociative. They'll
make him dissociative not only through abuse, like sexual abuse, but also
things like putting a mousetrap on their fingers and teaching the parents,
"You do not go in until the child stops crying. Only then do you go
in and remove it." They start in rudimentary forms at about two and
a half and kick into high gear, it appears, around six or six and a half,
continue through adolescence with periodic reinforcements in adulthood.
Basically in the programming the child will be put typically on a gurney.
They will have an IV in one hand or arm. They'll be strapped down, typically
naked. There'll be wires attached to their head to monitor electroencephalograph
- They will see a pulsing light, most often described as
red, occasionally white or blue. They'll be given, most commonly I believe,
Demerol. Sometimes it'll be other drugs as well depending on the kind of
programming. They have it, I think, down to a science where they've learned
you give so much every twenty-five minutes until the programming is done.
They then will describe a pain on one ear, their right ear generally, where
it appears a needle has been placed, and they will hear weird, disorienting
sounds in that ear while they see photic stimulation to drive the brain
into a brainwave pattern with a pulsing light at a certain frequency not
unlike the goggles that are now available through Sharper Image and some
of those kinds of stores. Then, after a suitable period when they're in
a certain brainwave state, they will begin programming, programming oriented
to self-destruction and debasement of the person.
- In a patient at this point in time about eight years
old who has gone through a great deal early programming took place on a
military installation. That's not uncommon. I've treated and been involved
with cases who are part of this original mind-control project as well as
having their programming on military reservations in many cases. We find
a lot of connections with the CIA. This patient now was in a Cult school,
a private Cult school where several of these sessions occurred a week.
She would go into a room, get all hooked up. They would do all of these
sorts of things. When she was in the proper altered state, now they were
no longer having to monitor it with electroencephalographs, she also had
already had placed on her electrodes, one in the vagina, for example, four
on the head. Sometimes they'll be on other parts of the body. They will
then begin and they would say to her, "You are angry with someone
in the group." She'd say, "No, I'm not" and they'd violently
shock her. They would say the same thing until she complied and didn't
make any negative response.
- Then they would continue. "And because you are angry
with someone in the group," or "When you are angry with someone
in the group, you will hurt yourself. Do you understand?" She said,
"No" and they shocked her. They repeated again, "Do you
understand?" "Well, yes, but I don't want to." Shock her
again untill they get compliance. Then they keep adding to it. "And
you will hurt yourself by cutting yourself. Do you understand?" Maybe
she'd say yes, but they might say, "We don't believe you" and
shock her anyway. "Go back and go over it again." They would
continue in this sort of fashion. She said typically it seemed as though
they'd go about thirty minutes, take a break for a smoke or something,
come back. They may review what they'd done and stopped or they might review
what they'd done and go on to new material. She said the sessions might
go half an hour, they might go three hours. She estimated three times a
- Programming under the influence of drugs in a certain
brainwave state and with these noises in one ear and them speaking in the
other ear, usually the left ear, associated with right hemisphere non-dominant
brain functioning, and with them talking, therefore, and requiring intense
concentration, intense focusing. Because often they'll have to memorize
and say certain things back, word-perfect, to avoid punishment, shock,
and other kinds of things that are occurring. This is basically how a lot
of programming goes on. Some of it'll also use other typical brainwashing
kinds of techniques. There will be very standardized types of hypnotic
things done at times. There'll be sensory deprivation which we know increases
suggestibility in anyone. Total sensory deprivation, suggestibility has
significantly increased, from the
- research. It's not uncommon for them to use a great deal
of that, including formal sensory-deprivation chambers before they do certain
of these things.
- [Pause] Now let me give you, because we don't have a
lot of time, as much practical information as I can. The way that I would
inquire as to whether or not some of this might be there would be with
ideomotor finger-signals. After you've set them up I would say, "I
want the central inner core of you to take control of the finger-signals."
Don't ask the unconscious mind. The case where you're inquiring about ritual
abuse, that's for the central inner core. The core is a Cult-created part.
"And I want that central inner core of you to take control of this
hand of these finger-signals and what it has for the yes-finger to float
up. I want to ask the inner core of you is there any part of you, any part
of Mary," that's the host's name, "who knows anything about Alpha,
Beta, Delta, or Theta." If you get a Yes, it should raise a red flag
that you might have someone with formal intensive brainwashing and programming
- I would then ask and say, "I want a part inside
who knows something about Alpha, Beta, Delta, and Theta to come up to a
level where you can speak to me and when you're here say, 'I'm here.'"
I would not ask if a part was willing to. No one's going to particularly
want to talk about this. I would just say, "I want some part who can
tell me about this to come out." Without leading them ask them what
these things are. I've had consults where I've come in. Sometimes I've
gotten a Yes to that, but as I've done exploration it appeared to be some
kind of compliance response or somebody wanting, in two or three cases,
to appear maybe that they were ritual abuse and maybe they were in some
way, but with careful inquiry and looking it was obvious that they did
not have what we were looking for. Let me tell you what these are.
- Let's suppose that this whole front row here are multiples
and that she has an alter named Helen and she has one named Mary, she has
one named Gertrude, she has one named Elizabeth, and she has one named
Monica. Every one of those alters may have put on it a program, perhaps
designated alpha-zero-zero-nine a Cult person could say, "Alpha-zero-zero-nine"
or make some kind of hand gesture to indicate this and get the same part
out in any one of them even though they had different names that they may
be known by to you. Alphas appear to represent general programming, the
first kind of things put in. Betas appear to be sexual programs. For example,
how to perform oral sex in a certain way, how to perform sex in rituals,
having to do with producing child pornography, directing child pornography,
prostitution. Deltas are killers trained in how to kill in ceremonies.
There'll also be some self-harm stuff mixed in with that, assassination
and killing. Thetas are called psychic killers.
- You know, I had never in my life heard those two terms
paired together. I'd never heard the words "psychic killers"
put together, but when you have people in different states, including therapists
inquiring and asking, "What is Theta," and patients say to them,
"Psychic killers," it tends to make one a believer that certain
things are very systematic and very widespread. This comes from their belief
in psychic sorts of abilities and powers, including their ability to psychically
communicate with "mother'" including their ability to psychically
cause somebody to develop a brain aneurysm and die. It also is a more future-oriented
kind of programming. Then there's Omega. I usually don't include that word
when I say my first question about this or any part inside that knows about
Alpha, Beta, Delta, Theta because Omega will shake them even more. Omega
has to do with self-destruct programming. Alpha and Omega, the beginning
and the end. This can include self-mutilation as well as killing-themselves
programming. Gamma appears to be system-protection and deception programming
which will provide misinformation to you, try to misdirect you, tell you
half-truths, protect different things inside.
- There can also be other Greek letters. I'd recommend
that you go and get your entire Greek alphabet and if you have verified
that some of this stuff is present and they have given you some of the
right answers about what some of this material is, and I can't underline
enough: DO NOT LEAD THEM. Do not say, "Is this killers?" Get
the answer from them, please. When you've done this and it appears to be
present, I would take your entire Greek alphabet and, with ideomotor signals,
go through the alphabet and say, "Is there any programming inside
associated with epsilon, omicron," and go on through. There may be
some sytematicness to some of the other letter, but I'm not aware of it.
- Now there are many different layers of this stuff is
the problem. Let me come over to the overhead and give some ideas about
them. What we have up here are innumerable alters. I'll tell you one of
the fascinating things I've seen. I remember a little over a year ago coming
in to see some cases, some of the tough cases at a dissociative-disorders
unit of a couple of the finest of the MPD therapists in this country, who
are always part of all the international meetings, have lectured internationally.
We worked and I look at some of their patients. They were amazed at certain
things because they had not been aware of this before. As we worked with
some of the patients and confirmed it, I remember one woman who'd been
inpatient for three years, still was inpatient. Another who had one intensive
year of inpatient work with all the finest MPD therapy you can imagine
-- abreactions, integrations, facilitating cooperation, art therapy, on
and on and on, journaling, intensively for one inpatient year followed
by an intensive year of outpatient therapy two, three hours a week. In
both patients we found out that all of this great work had done nothing
but deal with the alters up here and had not touched the mind-control programming.
- In fact it was not only intact, but we found that the
one who was outpatient was having her therapy monitored every session by
her mother, out-of-state, over the telephone, and that she still had intact
suggestions that had been given to her at a certain future time to kill
her therapist. Now one of the things that I would very carefully check
is, I would suggest that you ask the core, not just the unconscious mind,
ask the core, "Is there any part inside that continues to have contact
with people associated with the Cult? Is there any part inside who goes
to Cult rituals or meetings? Is there a recording device inside of Mary,"
if that's the host's name, "a recording device inside so that someone
can find out the things that are said in sessions?" This doesn't mean
they're monitored. Many of them just simply have it. "Is there someone
who debriefs some part inside for what happens in our therapy sessions?"
I have the very uncomfortable feeling from some past experience that when
you look at this you will find the large proportion of ritual-abuse victims
in this country are having their ongoing therapy monitored.
- I remember a woman who came in about twenty-four years
old, claimed her father was a Satanist. Her parents divorced when she was
six. After that it would only when her father had visitation and he would
take her to rituals sometimes up until age fifteen. She said, "I haven't
gone to anything since I was fifteen." Her therapist believed this
at face value. We sat in my office. We did a two-hour inquiry using hypnosis.
We found the programming present. In addition to that we found that every
therapy session was debriefed and in fact they had told her to get sick
and not come to the appointment with me. Another one had been told that
I was Cult and that if she came I would know that she'd been told not to
come and I would punish her. If anything meaningful comes out in a patient
who's being monitored like that -- from what I've learned thus far, they're
tortured with electric shocks -- my belief is if they're in that situation
you can't do meaningful therapy other than being supportive and caring
and letting them know you care a lot and you'll be there to support them.
- But I wouldn't try to work with any kind of deep material
or deprogramming with them because I think it can do nothing but get them
tortured and hurt unless they can get into a safe, secure inpatient unit
for an extended period of time to do some of the work required. I have
a feeling that when you make inquiries you're going to find that probably
greater than fifty percent of these patients, if they're bloodline, meaning
mother or dad or both involved, will be monitored on some ongoing basis.
- Now when you come below the alters, you then have Alpha,
Beta, Delta, Theta, so and so forth, the Greek-letter programming and they
will then have backup programs. There will typically be an erasure code
for the backups. There may be one code that combines all the backups into
one and then an erasure code for them, simply one code that erases all
the backups. So I will get the code for, let's say, Omega and for all the
Omega backups at the same time. After I've asked "What will happen
if I give this," I will give the code and then I will say, "What
are you experiencing?" They often describe computer whirring, things
erasing, explosions inside, all sorts of interesting things. I've had some
therapists come back and say, "My Lord, I had never said anything
about robots she said something about robots vaporizing." I remember
one therapist who'd been with me in several hypnosis workshops and consulted
with me about a crisis MPD situation. I told her to inquire about Alpha,
Beta, Delta, Theta. She did.
- She got back to me saying, "Yeah, I got an indication
it's there. What is it?" I said, "I'm not going to tell you.
Go back and inquire about some of this." We set an appointment for
a week or so hence. She got back with me and said, "I asked what Theta
was and she said, 'psychic killers.' I asked her what Delta was and she
said 'killers.'" Okay. So I told her about some of this stuff for
a two-hour consult. She called back and she said, "This seemed too
fantastic. I heard this and I thought, 'Has Cory been working too hard?'"
she said, I'm embarrassed to admit it, but she said, "I held you in
high professional regard, but this just sounded so off in the twilight
zone that I really thought, 'Is he having a nervous breakdown or something?'"
She said, "But I respected you enough to ask about this." She
said, "I asked another MPD patient and she didn't have any of this."
So in this patient she started describing things and how she worked, for
example, with an erasure and she was describing things like robots vaporizing
and kinds of things. She said, "I hadn't told her about any of these
things." Well, here's the problem. There are different layers and
I think some of them are designed to keep us going in circles forever.
They figured we probably, in most cases, wouldn't get below the alters
which they purposefully created.
- The way you create Manchurian Candidates is you divide
the mind. It's part of what the Intelligence Community wanted to look at.
If you're going to get an assassin, you're going to get somebody to go
do something, you divide the mind. It fascinates me about cases like the
assassination of Robert Kennedy, where Bernard Diamond, on examining Sirhan
Sirhan found that he had total amnesia of the killing of Robert Kennedy,
but under hypnosis could remember it. But despite suggestions he would
be able to consciously remember, could not remember a thing after he was
out of hypnosis. I'd love to examine Sirhan Sirhan.
- It appears that below this we've got some other layers.
One is called "Green Programming" it appears. Isn't it interesting
that the doctor's name is Dr. Green? One of the questions in a way that
does not contaminate is after I've identified some of this stuff is there
and they've given me a few right answers about what some of it is, "If
there were a doctor associated with this programming and his name were
a color, you know, like Dr. Chartreuse or something, if his name were a
color, what color would the color be?" Now once in a while I've had
some other colors mentioned in about three or four patients that I felt
were trying to dissimulate in some way and I don't really believe had this.
In one case I got another color and I found out later it was a doctor whose
name was a color who was being trained by Dr. Green almost thirty years
ago and he supervised part of the programming of this woman under this
doctor. I remember one woman couldn't come up with anything. No alter would
speak up with anything.
- I said, "Okay," and we went on to some other
material. About two minutes later she said, "Green. Do you mean Dr.
Green?" We found this all over. There appears to be some Green Programming
below that and I suspect that you get down to fewer and more central programs
the deeper you go. Well, all Green Programming is Ultra-Green and the Green
Tree. Cabalistic mysticism is mixed all into this. If you're going to work
with this you need to pick up a couple of books on the Cabala. One is by
a man named Dion Fortune called "Qabala" with a "q,"
Dion Fortune. Another is by Ann Williams-Heller and it's called "The
Kabbalah." I knew nothing about the Cabala. It was interesting. A
patient had sat in my waiting area, got there considerably early and drew
a detailed multicolored Cabalistic Tree over two years ago. It took me
two months to figure out what it was. Finally, showing it to somebody else
who said, "You know? That looks an awful lot like the Cabala Tree"
and that rang a bell with some esoteric in an old book and I dug it out.
That was the background of Dr. Green.
- Now the interesting thing about the Green Tree is his
original name was Greenbaum. What does "greenbaum" mean in German?
Green Tree, Ultra-Tree and the Green Tree. I've also had patients who didn't
appear to know that his original name was Greenbaum, volunteered that there
were parts inside named Mr. Greenbaum. Now let me give you some information
about parts inside that may be helpful to you if you're going to inquire
about these things, because my experience is one part will give you some
information and either run dry or get defensive or scared and stop. And
so you punt and you make an end run and you come around the other direction,
you find another part. I'll tell you several parts to ask for and ask if
there's a part by this name. And, by the way, when I'm screening patients
and fiddling around with this, I throw in a bunch of spurious ones and
ask, "Is there a part inside by this name and by that name" as
a check on whether or not it appears genuine. For example. "In addition
to the core," I ask, "is there a part inside named Wisdom?"
Wisdom is a part of the Cabalistic Tree. Wisdom, I've often found, will
be helpful and give you a lot of information. "Is there a part inside
named Diana?" I mean I may throw in all sorts of things. "Is
there a part inside named Zelda?" I've never encountered one yet!
Just to see what kind of answers we get. I try to do this carefully. Diana
is a part that, in the Cabalistic system, is associated with a part called
the Foundation. You will be fascinated to know that. Remember the Process
Church? Roman Polanski's wife, Sharon Tate, was killed by the Manson Family
who were associated with the Process Church? A lot of prominent people
in Hollywood were associated and then they went underground, the books
say, in about seventy-eight and vanished? Well, they're alive and well
in southern Utah. We have a thick file in the Utah Department of Public
Safety documenting that they moved to southern Utah, north of Monument
Valley, bought a movie ranch in the desert, renovated it, expanded it,
built a bunch of buildings there, carefully monitored so that very few
people go out of there and no one can get in and changed their name.
- A key word in their name is "Foundation." The
Foundation. There are some other words. The Foundation is part of the Tree.
So you can ask, "Is there something inside known as The Foundation?"
I might ask other things to throw people off. "Is there something
known as the Sub- Basement?" Well, maybe they'll conceive of something.
Or "Is there something known as the Walls?" There are a variety
of questions you can come up with, to sort of screen some things. I've
also found that there will often be a part called "Black Master,"
a part called "Master Programmer," and that there will be computer
operators inside. How many of you have come into computer things in patients?
- There will typically be computer operators: Computer
Operator Black, Computer Operator Green, Computer Operator Purple. Sometimes
they'll have numbers instead, sometimes they'll be called Systems Information
Directors. You can find out the head one of those. There'll be a source
of some information for you. I will ask inside, "Is there a part inside
named Dr. Green?" You'll find that there are, if they have this kind
of programming, in my experience. Usually with a little work and reframing,
you can turn them and help them to realize that they were really a child-part
who's playing a role and they had no choice then, but they do now. You
know, they played their role very, very well, but they don't have to continue
to play it with you because they're safe here and in fact, "If the
Cult simply found out that you talked to me, that they you had shared information
with me, you tell me what would they do to you?" Emphasize that the
only way out is through me and that they need to cooperate and share information
and help me and that I'll help them. So all these parts can give you various
- Now they have tried to protect this very carefully. Let
me give you an example with Ultra-Green. I discovered this -- by the way
I used to think this programming was only in bloodline people. I've discovered
it in non-bloodline people, but it's a bit different. They don't want it
to be just the same. I don't think you'll find deep things like Ultra-Green
and probably not even Green Programming with non-bloodline people. But
let me tell you something that I discovered first in a non-bloodline and
then in a bloodline. We were going along and a patient was close to getting
well, approaching final integration in a non-bloodline and she suddenly
started hallucinating and her fingers were becoming hammers and other things
like that. So I used an affect-bridge and we went back and we found that
what happened was that they gave suggestions, that if she ever got well
to a certain point she would go crazy.
- The way they did this was they strapped her down and
they gave her LSD when she was eight years old. When she began hallucinating
they inquired about the nature of the hallucinations so they could utilize
them in good Ericsonian fashion and build on them and then combine the
drug-effect with powerful suggestions. "If you ever get to this point
you will go crazy. If you ever get fully integrated and get well you will
go crazy like this and will be locked up in an institution for the rest
of your life. They gave those suggestions vigorously and repetitively.
Finally they introduced other suggestions that, "Rather than have
this happen, it would be easier to just kill yourself." In a bloodline
patient then, as I began inquiring about deep material, the patient started
to experience similar symptoms. We went back and we found the identical
things were done to her.
- This was called the "Green Bomb." B-O-M-B.
Lots of interesting internal consistencies like that play on words with
Dr. Greenbaum, his original name. Now in this case it was done to her at
age nine for the first time and then only hers was different. Hers was
a suggestion for amnesia. "If you ever remember anything about Ultra-Green
and the Green Tree you will go crazy. You will become a vegetable and be
locked up forever." Then finally the suggestion's added, "And
it'll be easier to just kill yourself than have that happen to you, if
you ever remember it." At age twelve then, three years later, they
used what sounds like an Amytol interview to try to breach the amnesia
and find out if they could. They couldn't. So then they strapped her down
again, took and gave her something to kind of paralyze her body, gave her
LSD, an even bigger dose and reinforced all the suggestions. Did a similar
thing at the age of sixteen. So these are some of the kind of booby traps
you run into. There are a number of cases where they combined powerful
drug effects like this with suggestions to keep us from discovering some
of this deeper level stuff. What's the bottom?
- Your guess is as good as mine but I can tell you that
I've had a lot of therapists who were stymied with these cases who were
going nowhere. In fact someone here that I told some basic information
about this to in Ohio a couple of months ago said it opened all sorts of
things up in a patient who'd been going nowhere. That's an often common
thing. I think that we can move down to deeper levels and if we deal with
some of the deeper level stuff it may destroy all the stuff above it. But
we don't even know that yet. In some of the patients I'm working with we
have pretty much dealt with a lot of the top-level stuff. I'll tell you
how we've done some of that. We'll take and erase one system like Omega.
Then we will have a huge abreaction of all the memories and feelings in
a fractionated abreaction associated with those parts. I typically find
I'll say to them, "Now that we've done this are there any other memories
and feelings that any parts that were Omega still have?"
- The answer's usually "No." At that point I
will say, "I usually find at this point in time the majority, if not
all, of those parts that used to be Omega no longer feel a desire or need
to be different, realizing that you split off originally by them and want
to go home to Mary and become one with her again." I use the concept
often now -- which came from a patient -- of going home and becoming one
with her. "Going back from whence you came" is another phrase
I'll use with them. "Are there any Omega parts inside who do not feel
comfortable with that or have reservations or concerns about that?"
If there are we talk to them. We deal with them. A few may not integrate.
My experience is most of the time they'll integrate and we may integrate
twenty-five parts at once in a polyfragmented complex MPD. I think it is
vitally important to abreact the feelings before you go on. Also for many
patients it hasn't seemed to matter the order we go in but I've found a
couple where it has.
- If it doesn't seem to matter I'll typically go Omega,
then Delta because they have more violence potential, then Gamma to get
rid of the self-deception stuff. What I will do before I just assume anything
and do that, is once we've done Omega and showed them that success can
occur and something can happen and they feel relief after, I will say to
them, "I want to ask the core -- through the fingers -- is there a
specific order in which programs must be erased?" You know maybe it
doesn't matter but most of the time I found "No." There are cases
where we found "Yes." I recommend doing one or two or three of
those because they'll produce relief and and a sense of optimism in the
patient. But then I would recommend starting to probe for the deeper level
things and getting their input and recommendations about the order in which
- Question? Q: What has been the typical age and typical
gender of this type of person? Dr.H: I know of this being found in men
and women. Most of the patients I know with MPD ritual abuse that are being
treated are women, however. I know of some men being treated where we've
found this. A while back I was talking to a small group of therapists somewhere.
I told them about some of this. In the middle of talking about some of
this all the color drained out of one social worker's face and she obviously
had a reaction and I asked her about and she said, "I'm working with
a five-year-old boy," and she said, "Just in the last few weeks
he was saying something about a Dr. Green."
- Subject: The Greenbaum Speech (4/4) ^Repost^
- Q: It seems to me that there seems to be some similarity
between these kinds of programming and those people who claim that they've
been abducted by spaceships and have had themselves physically probed and
reprogrammed and all of that sort of thing. Since Cape Canaveral is across
the Florida peninsula from me and I don't think that they've reported any
spaceships lately, I was just wondering is there any sort of relationship
between this and that?
- Dr.H: I'll share my speculation, that comes from others
really. I've not dealt with any of those people. However, I know a therapist
that I know and trust and respect who I've informed about all this a couple
of years ago and has found it in a lot of patients and so on, who is firmly
of the belief that those people are in fact ritual-abuse victims who have
been programmed with that sort of thing to destroy all their credibility.
If somebody's coming in and reporting abduction by a flying sauce who's
going to believe them on anything else in the future? Also as a kind of
thing that can be pointed to and said, "This is as ridiculous as that."
All I know is that I recently had a consult, a telephone consult, with
a therapist where I had been instructing her about some of this kind of
stuff. When we were consulting at one point in the fifth or sixth interview
she said, "By the way, do you know anything about this topic?"
I said, "Well, not really" and shared with her what I shared
with you. I said, "If it were me being with this guy..." that
she'd been seeing for a couple of months, I said, "I would ask inside
for the core to take control of finger-signals and inquire about Alpha,
Beta, Delta, Theta." She proceeded to do all that, got back to me
a week later and said, "Boy, were you on target. There is a part inside
named Dr. Green. There's this kind of programming."