- Consitent Surface Fires in the WTC pile did not exist
after the third day. Supposedly fires raged 'underground' under several
inches of powdered concrete. Physics/logic dictates that fire must be supplied
Oxygen to burn. Fuel will not burn without oxygen.
- Basic logic/physics/fire prevention predicts that covering
a fire with dirt puts out the fire by cutting the supply of oxygen. Based
on the evidence and experience Dr. Cahill states several times that the
WTC pile is 'Oxygen Poor', notes Anaerobic = without oxygen insights, AND
'Chlorine Rich = LARGE amounts of Chlorine. Hmm, oxygen poor that doesn't
sound like a good mix for a 'fire' that is going to be so hot it makes
molten metal - most likely scenerio - steel (complete BS even in a real
- But, there was lots of Chlorine. I bet Chlorine must
take the place of Oxygen and let fires burn? To see chlorines effects on
fire see this link on how Halon Fire Extinguishers work http:// www.sciam.com/askexpert_question.cfm?
, or this link on Halon Fire Extinguishers http://www.madsci.org/ posts/archives/2000-11/974329262.Ch.r.html
(and while you are there take a look at the cheap fire extinguisher D -
a bucket of sand (SiO2 - Silicon compound). Silicon isn't there a large
percentage of that in the 2 Billion pounds of WTC Dust? USGS report says
the WTC 'sand' was on average 15% Silicon, 18% Calcium (Carbonate) http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0429/chem1/
WTCchemistrytable.html, the Lioy report also gives a maximum percentage
of 20% volatile compounds in the WTC dust and approximately 2% asbestos
was also present. http:// www.ehponline.org/members/2002/110p703-714lioy/lioy-full.html#resu
- OXYGEN - The air we breathe is about 21 percent oxygen.
fire only needs an atmosphere with at least 16 percent oxygen. http://
www.ou.edu/oupd/fireprim.htm Again, note Anaerobic is without Oxygen =
0.0, None, Nada, Zero Oxygen in at least some parts of the 'fire'. 16%
Oxygen required for combustion, yet at least some areas (most likely scenerio
is the whole 5 acres was Anaerobic) of the underground 'fire' had Zero
Oxygen. How does that work in basic physics? How does the 'supposed fire'
like the WTC not only exist, but spread rapidly to 5 acres of land that
was cool and is suddenly over 1000 degrees centigrade. Think about the
mass involved that attains that heat in hours in 'oxygen poor' conditions.
(Not 16% Oxygen the percentage that fails to support combustion, but 0%
Oxygen in at least some areas of the 'fire')
- Four seperate inhibitors of combustion, sand, 'oxygen
poor' atmosphere, 'chlorine rich' atmosphere, and a rich carbon dioxide/
carbon monoxide were interacting in this supposed 'fire'. Any one of these
inhibitors of fire in sufficient quantities will completely extinguish
fires. The new physics requires that values be referred to in 'non numerical'
nonsense values - examples: Tritium value = 'below human concern', oxygen
value = 'poor', chlorine value = 'rich' with no correlation to the proven
requirements of combustion or the chemical reaction taking place in combustion.
What were the combustible products of this fire? For the most part there
was only concrete and steel left in the debris pile per picture evidence
and eyewitness accounts. Where did the combustible debris go? There was
less than 20% volatile products in the 2 Billion pounds of particlelized
dust (alot of material by mass), but this was dispersed in an 80% non combustible
- Old physics = This supposed 'fire' should extinguish
not form a blast furnace caliber fire.
- New physics = Proven inhibitors of combustion interact
to form 'super' 'fire' of incinerator/blast furnace caliber. According
to the team, data indicates that the WTC plume "in many ways [resembles]
those seen from municipal waste incinerators and high temperatures processes
in coal-fired power plants." (Reactions that require massive Oxygen
to support the process) http:// www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?entity=thomas_cahill
- The 'new physics' fire started 800 feet above ground
and supposedly got to 800 degrees according to NIST with unlimited Oxygen
- The 'new physics' fire falls 800 feet, through thick
suffocating aerosolized sand and is dispersed over twice the original area
with the residual temperature of the burning elements starting the 'new'
'new physics' fire in conditions that should extiniguish fire, but somehow
produces a 1500 degree 'super fire'. It is highly unlikely there was any
active flame after the fall from 800 feet through suffocating amounts of
- The 'old physics' fire requires that the massive heat
(far above 1500 degrees) was present in the debris which brought any combustable
compound to the 'kindling temperature' which spontaneously ignited when
exposed to Oxygen. Coincidently, (who could have figured) that is exactly
what was observed whenever relief efforts removed structure (concrete/steel)
that was inhibiting Oxygen flow to the super heated debris pile.
- Update: Dioxin Definitely Present in Large Amounts at
- Chlorine + Heat = Dioxin. This is finally a proven possible
alternate source for several of the cancers - breast, skin, probably a
couple more applicable to this type exposure. http:// www.acereport.org/cancer2.html
Dioxin could account for some of the huge spectrum of cancers and it would
be dependent on exposure amounts. (Our vets got massive doses in Vietnam
and the government managed to hide that fairly easily.) But there are still
many more cancers not explained by any single proven cause link except
- Very fine aerosols from the World Trade Center collapse
piles: Anaerobic Incineration?
(A report that was skimmed several months prior has some nice tidbits)
- "By September 14, three days after the initial World
Trade Center collapse, efforts at fire suppression and heavy rainfall had
extinguished the immediate surface fires. From then until roughly mid-December,
the collapse piles continuously emitted an acrid smoke and fume in the
smoldering phase of the event." "The unprecedented levels of
several metals in the very fine mode can be tied to liberation of those
metals that are both present in elevated concentrations in the debris and
have depressed volatility temperatures caused by the presence of organic
materials and chlorine."
- "The presence of fuels, including diesel and electrical
insulating oils and combustible materials in the WTC buildings, and lack
of oxygen were two factors that allowed the fire to burn for over 3 months."
"The DRUM operated until Late December, after the last surface fires
had been extinguished. (Cahill et al, 2004)"
- "The mechanism proposed is then the formation of
gasses in the oxygen-poor, chlorine rich collapse piles, emission through
the rubble and conversion at or near the surface into oxidized forms and
thus very fine particles."
- http://www.nyenvirolaw.org/PDF/Transcript-EPA- OmbudsmanHearing-2-23-2002.pdf
- Pg 61: Line 9 through 14
- CONGRESSMAN NADLER: So that the EPA if it is dependent
on the information for those sensors for its public pronouncements cannot
say anything about the very fine particles?
- DR. CAHILL: That's correct.
- Page 101: Lines 5 through 17
- MR. MICHELI: Well, I was going to get into the fact,
that since everything -- and you used the word before, which is one of
the words I used to describe what happened, which is atomized.
- Basically when you walk around the pile and you see the
pictures and if you are down there, you'll see, some of the only remaining
things is steel. You know, there is no shoe box, there is no carpet, there
is no ceiling tiles or Gypsum wallboard or any actual pieces of concrete.
- Page 135: Lines 4 through 11
- DR. LEVIN: I don't believe that all of the fires are
out. It is my understanding that there are occasional areas of smoldering
that are identified, but certainly we're not seeing the levels of combustion
that was going on until somewhere in the order of mid- December.
- Page 201: Lines 3 through 6
- At one point I had a conversation with an inspector at
the Department of Health and asked him, "So what you're telling me
is that the EPA won't test because they'll know what they're find?"
- And he said yes.
- Page 216
- Is there an agency, Federal, State, or City which will
test the indoor air in our apartments now?
- CHIEF INVESTIGATOR KAUFMAN: Yes. The Environmental Protection
Agency does it everywhere in the country but they have abandoned Lower
- MS. PERILLO: That's answer one.
- CONGRESSMAN NADLER: The answer is no, there is not such
an agency right now. There is an agency that ought to do it, that has the
legal duty to do it, but that is right now refusing to do it.
- CHIEF INVESTIGATOR KAUFMAN: Right.
- CONGRESSMAN NADLER: And that's the EPA.
- Page 219
- It's only going to take money. But the first step to
do it is for the government and EPA do what they do everywhere else in
the country except for Lower Manhattan, which is do the testing inside
the homes, comply with the laws of the United States, and come up with
remediation plans and safe levels for clean up.
- Ed Ward, MD; http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EdWard-MD/
- Independent writer/Media Liaison for The Price of Liberty;
- Original Article link - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EdWard-MD/message/164
- Relatated articles
- Ed Ward, MD - 911 Related Articles - Chronological:
- Bombs in the WTC Buildings Proves Nothing to Racist-Fascist
- Micro-Nukes at the WTC
- Update: Micro-Nukes at the WTC
- Update: Proves Micro Nukes in the WTC http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/07/04/16/ward.htm
- Verifying the Source of WTC Tritium Levels that Are 55
Times "Background Levels" http://www.rense.com/general76/wtc.htm
- Prof. Jones Denies, Ignores, Misrepresents Proven Tritium
Levels 55 Times Background Levels http://www.rense.com/general77/levels.htm
- Steven Jones Replies To Dr. Ed Ward
- Prof Jones Gladly Assists Testing Unaffected WTC Items
- Vancouver Conference: Drs Deagle and Jones debate Micro
Nukes (video) in the WTC http://www.911blogger.com/node/9590
- Update: Factual Evaluation of the DOE WTC Tritium Report
Data - 911 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EdWard-MD/message/141
- Breakdown of the WTC Rain and Firehose Water - 4 Million
Gallons of Dilution http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EdWard-MD/message/136
- Prof Jones Accepts Validity of Stable Isotopic Testing
for Neutron Activation of Fusion Reactions http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EdWard-MD/message/142
- Hello!?! 48,000 Curies of Tritium Would Have to Have
Burned to Leave the 3.53/2.83 nCi/L of WTC Tritium Residue
- 9/11 Sicknesses consistent with environmental radiation