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- RENSE: Welcome back. I hope you had a great weekend.
And we are of course in the heat of the summer -- most of the US surrounded
by constant reports of bizarre weather. I don't have to go into details
-- most of you have seen examples of it on the Internet and in the mainstream
media as well. It's a hot one.
- Certainly a hot one again tonight on the program. Benjamin
- FULFORD: Hello!
- RENSE: Hi, Ben. Hang on. Let me do a brief intro here,
and then we'll get right to you.
- For our listeners who don't know, Mr. Fulford is a Tokyo-based
journalist who appeared on this program on July the 5th, 2007, making some
very radical -- and some would say hopeful -- claims.
- According to Benjamin Fulford, a Chinese secret society
with 6 million members, including 1.8 million Asian gangsters and 100,000
professional assassins, have targeted Illuminati members who they perceive
to have world depopulation plans -- a subject we have talked about for
many years on this program, off and on. That is the depopulation effort
-- Global 2000, among others.
- They contacted Ben Fulford, a Canadian expatriate, after
he warned that the Illuminati planned to reduce the Asian population to
about half a billion people -- about 500 million -- by means of racial
or genetic-specific biological weapons.
- Remember SARS? Well, in his first conversation, SARS
was pointed out by Ben Fulford as being quite likely an Asia-specific or
ethno-specific weapon -- a biological weapon. I noticed [this] actually
when it happened, and it broke out in the Orient and made its way here
- In a Canadian newspaper they published all the photographs
of the fatal SARS victims in Canada. About 95 percent of them were Asian.
I immediately said there was something suspicious about that, and drew
some conclusions, which may well be true.
- With Ben Fulford as their spokesman now, the word is
out. This Asian - Chinese - secret society is taking on the Illuminati.
At least that's the story.
- Tonight, in Part Two of our exclusive conversation with
Ben Fulford, we're going to cover many new issues as well as expand on
the earlier ones as well. I will also open the phones a bit later on for
- As you might well imagine, Mr. Fulford's first visit
here rattled and rumbled its way around the world on the Internet, and
continues to do so tonight. It's also an appearance you can hear for free
on Rense.com right now.
- You can also read all the stories relating to that first
visit on July the 5th, and several essays written by Mr. Fulford himself.
- You also may recall he was the Asia-Pacific bureau chief
for eight years for Forbes magazine and remains a professional journalist,
as I said, based in Tokyo, Japan, where we go now to say hello. Welcome
back, Benjamin Fulford.
- Thanks for being here, Ben!
- FULFORD: Yeah, it's a great pleasure. A great honor.
- RENSE: The pleasure is mine, sir. We covered so many
things last time, and there are a lot of things to go over tonight. We're
going to try to bring many of those earlier things into further focus,
delineate some, and elaborate on others.
- One of the things that intrigued me -- and when you mentioned
it, I was certainly one of maybe millions who began looking up, on Google
or other search engines, information about your great grandfather -- G.T.
- That was fascinating to hear about his interest, support
and apparent friendship with Nikola Tesla.
- He was apparently murdered. He died in an automobile
accident, and I think it was 1905. Was that the year of his death?
- FULFORD: Yes, it was.
- RENSE: There sure as hell weren't a lot of cars running
in 1905. One wonders. [Laughs]
- FULFORD: I believe it was the first fatal car accident
in Canadian history, although it took place in Massachusetts.
- RENSE: Bizarre. Bizarre. Cars back then didn't do much
more than 20-25 miles an hour, I wouldn't think.
- FULFORD: Yeah. There was an erratic driver who somehow
managed to crash through to my great grandfather in a horse-drawn bus,
while he, himself, (the driver) stayed perfectly safe.
- RENSE: He struck your grandfather with the car?
- FULFORD: He managed to get the car and hit a horse-drawn
bus in such a way that only my great grandfather died.
- RENSE: A horse-drawn bus.
- FULFORD: Yes. [clears throat]
- RENSE: Now that's something I've seen in old photographs,
of course. This is even more bizarre.
- Now at the time, your grandfather was a very wealthy
man. He was not very old, either. What was he, 50 years old? 45 to 50?
- FULFORD: Yeah. He was 50. He was the largest shareholder
in General Electric and he was about to buy a company that we know of today
as General Motors.
- RENSE: Huh. And he had made his fortune, as I recall
reading, in patenting early medicines -- so-called modern medicines.
- FULFORD: Yeah. The big hit was something called Fulford's
Pink Pills for Pale People, which were basically iron tablets. In those
days everyone had anemia, because of the new food processing technology.
- RENSE: Huh. Now with all the iron added to foods, people
have overdoses of iron.
- FULFORD: Back then they had anemia.
- I know there was sort of a spooky thing about him. This
is something that makes you wonder.
- The longest serving prime minister in Canadian history
was named Kinsey King (ph). He was Prime Minister for more than 20 years,
and was considered to have been a very good Prime Minister.
- When he died, they found diaries. They found he made
his political decisions by consulting a crystal ball, and contacting spirits.
- RENSE: [Laughs] I shouldn't laugh, because the Reagans
did much the same, of course. Nancy Reagan, it is said, an awful lot of
input was from her psychic in San Francisco.
- FULFORD: Yeah. The other thing is that [the Prime Minister's]
psychic was my great-grandmother.
- RENSE: Oh really!
- FULFORD: And the person he was consulting was my great-grandfather!
- RENSE: And the crystal ball was just a...
- FULFORD: Well, it was supposed to [help you] hypnotize
yourself so you could get in touch with the spirit world, something like
- RENSE: Run that by me again. Your great-grandmother was
the psychic he consulted...
- FULFORD: Yeah.
- RENSE: And your great-grandfather was...
- FULFORD: The spirit he was getting advice from.
- RENSE: Now when you say spirit, are you saying spirit
after your grandfather was killed?
- FULFORD: Yes. I am talking about the 1930s and 40s.
- RENSE: How strange. This was going on for a long time,
apparently. And this was in his private diary! Huh.
- FULFORD: Yep. So it's one of those more bizarre [things
like,] "You'll have to wait until midnight, Friday the 13th, to make
the more important decisions."
- RENSE: [Laughs] Well, that's good. Why not? We have a
lot of precedents.
- It is also a fact that many, if not most -- a lot of
you may wince at this -- major corporations and businesses actually do
consult with psychics, and some actually have some on the payroll. And
they won't make a major decision without clearing it with the psychic.
- Astrology is used, of course -- it's not a crystal ball
technology, necessarily. But that's fascinating. I didn't know [that].
Tell me more, if there is any.
- FULFORD: Well, the other thing was that you were supposed
to look at the first dream of the night, and that was supposed to be predictive.
A lot of this was taught to me by my grandmother.
- I think that all the rich people use fortune-telling.
Forget about anything psychic. People want to know what's going to happen
in the future. If they have it for oil markets, for example -- oil futures
or something -- this way of predicting or looking forward into the future,
and they discourage that in us, right?
- But if it rains up in the mountains, you can predict
the river will flow higher later on -- so there's a lot of stuff you can
predict about the future that is based on hard science. [The powers that
be] try to discourage us from looking into the future, but big corporations
and rich people all do that. They hire two thousand-dollar-an-hour psychics
- RENSE: I've heard of them. We've talked about them for
many years. It is true that as a culture, young people are immediately
jumped upon and thwarted when they start to report a so-called psychic
experience -- whether they see colors around people, whether they talk
to spirits, whether they have a spirit or invisible friends.
- In fact, in Britain, there was a major paper -- just
as a quick aside here -- last week that posted it, maybe you saw it. Parents
are now being advised to encourage their young children when they talk
about having invisible playmates or invisible friends. Very interesting
- FULFORD: In any case, I want to talk more about the Rockefellers.
- RENSE: I'm sure they're listening, so go right ahead.
- FULFORD: This is of vital interest. For years, the Japanese
were telling me that the Americans were ruled as a monarchy by the Rockefellers.
I'm thinking, "These people are superstitious Orientals." And
they're thinking, "Oh, these Westerners are so brainwashed, they don't
even know they're brainwashed."
- I finally started doing the research. For example, just
before my appearance on this show, I went and met a senior boss of the
Yamaguchi crime syndicate. This is a hundred thousand -- well, they control
most of the gangsters in Japan.
- [Bumper music begins]
- They told me that the way the US government works is
a little bit like the diamond monopolies, from the New York diamond cartel.
- RENSE: Okay, let me ask you to hold it right there. We'll
pause, do our business and pick this right back up. Was that Yamaguchi
- FULFORD: Yamaguchi crime syndicate.
- RENSE: Okay, very good. Stay right there, Ben. We'll
pause and come right back. Part Two of our conversation exclusive here,
for you, with journalist Benjamin Fulford, live from Japan. We'll be right
- RENSE: All right, we're back with you and Ben Fulford.
Ben, you went to see the head of a major crime family.
- FULFORD: A fifty-thousand member gang.
- RENSE: Ok. Excuse me. Just by way of journalism, don't
give away details you don't need to. How did you get word to this person?
Is it something where they said, "Sure, Ben, come on down, let's talk?"
Then I have a follow-up question after that.
- FULFORD: I've known people for years and years now. I've
been quite friendly with them. I don't do any business with them, but we
- I started as a financial journalist. When I realized
that all the bank money was disappearing into gangsters' drug companies,
I started cultivating these sources. And I got a very high-level one. I've
known them for years.
- RENSE: Very good. In short, what was their response to
your first visit on the program, from the secret society? Expand upon the
question, and then we'll go back to the specifics of what you asked them.
- What was the response of those people, whose interests
you are representing, to your first visit on the program, your appearance
on Rense.com and so forth?
- FULFORD: They generally were happy with it, but they
told me it was very uncouth of me to have been so threatening and blustery.
Stuff like that is usually [handled by saying], "Yes, I'm sad",
and implicit -- you're supposed to be more polite, you know?
- RENSE: That would seem to be the Asian MO, and I can
understand that, although the point was made. I think that was the larger
issue at hand -- to make the point. And I think you did it very clearly
- All right. Back to the issue of your talk with the head
of this large Asian syndicate.
- FULFORD: These people have told me, yes, we subcontract
for the Rockefellers. The way the world of crime runs is these people control
the money and they control the oil.
- Just like when you have the De Beers diamond monopoly,
you have what they call this kite (ph). A bunch of men get together in
a room, and they have a pile of diamonds. They divide them into a pile
for each, and then these people decide who gets what down the stream.
- They do the same with oil and with cash. A small group
of men get together and they come up with themes. They came up with this
war on terror theme. The idea was to find an excuse to seize all the central
Asian oil resources. At the same time, they wanted to find an excuse to
sell lots more weapons. And they want to expand their geopolitical goals
by subduing China in the longer term.
- So this is how the word really works. It's a bunch of
men in a secret room who control the dollars and oil, and decide everything.
I don't think that is the proper way for a planet to be managed. These
people are gangsters. So instead of having the meanest bullies run the
planet, I would think a committee of the largest saviors would be better.
- RENSE: It does seem to be a rat race amongst the meanest
killer, rapist, environmentally destructive, damaging, annihilating bullies
of them all. You're right. The meanest SOB, most psychopathic SOB on the
- FULFORD: What happened to me was I suddenly realized
the Japanese have enough money to end poverty, stop all environmental destruction
in a matter of two or three years.
- They could wipe poverty, disease and environmental destruction
from this planet. And ignorance. It would be so easy!
- So I started asking, "Why don't you do this?"
And they finally told me the truth. "The Rockefellers won't let us
do it. They want that money for themselves, so they can make weapons and
play with the world as if it was their own."
- RENSE: And they don't give a good god-damn about the
individual at all. That's the bottom line.
- FULFORD: No, they think of them as serfs, or that there's
too many of them -- they want a big purge.
- These people think of themselves as separate.
- I talked to another scholar. People were upset when I
said Abraham was Hammurabi. What we really have to do is go back to Nimrod
in order to understand this whole situation.
- There were a lot of people living in Babylonia, farming
people. Five thousand seven hundred and seventy-one years ago, they were
invaded by Hixsoth, (ph) who were a tribe of pastorials (ph). And they
came and said, "There's got to be a way to herd humans the way we
- They are the people who have ever since been herding
- RENSE: Herding and culling people.
- FULFORD: And culling. Yes. They think they are entitled
to their cull -- they can take young women, play with them and then kill
them. Whatever. That's their right, [they believe].
- RENSE: They think they're demigods.
- FULFORD: I know a princess who met them. They said, "Yeah,
we're gods. David Rockefeller is Zeus." They think of themselves as
God, but they're not.
- They've inbred themselves into stupidity, and they're
in very, very severe danger right now. I'm trying to save their lives,
and they don't realize it.
- If I were them, I would be terrified. You've got 85 percent
of the American public against them. When the people in the West catch
on to their existence, they're going to be furious. That's why they have
to keep themselves secret. They spend all this energy fighting, trying
to keep people from being aware that they exist.
- So here they are. Everyone on the planet hates them now.
They have no support. Russia is against them, China is against them, Japan
has turned against them, India...
- RENSE: Russia remembers, almost down at the genetic level,
what those people did to their country over the last century. The Bolsheviks,
the slaughter, the horrible, horrible decimation and liquidation of probably
well over 50 million people, many of whom were Christians. Not that [their
religion] really matters, but that's the issue.
- [Bumper music]
- And they certainly all were innocent, and they all were
of European extraction.
- FULFORD: The other thing is maybe the Anglo-Saxons and
Jews rule the world, but when you get to the higher levels, they are told,
"Neither of you rule anything. You are a slave. We rule the world."
- RENSE: We'll come back in a minute, Ben, hold on. We'll
further define who the enemy is. It's not Jews, it's not Christians, it's
- You made a good point in private correspondence to me
-- how to throw away the obvious potential criticism about your message
being somewhat anti-Semitic in nature, which of course it isn't.
- We'll clear that up, and do some other things as we continue
our conversation in Part Two, in just a few minutes.
- RENSE: And we return to our conversation with Benjamin
Fulford, live from Tokyo.
- All right, Ben, let's really define the enemy as best
we can. I know it was interesting, and one of the ways it was phrased to
me was if you take all of the so-called anti-Jewish, anti-Zionist, anti-Semitic
material, and reduce it all down to anything BUT anti-Jewish material,
you'll have a pretty good sketch of who the enemy is.
- This is not an issue of Jewish people or Judaism -- it
is an issue that goes much beyond that. [This group], as we know, has used
Judaism and continues to use dumb Christian Zionists today as well. That's
quite a clever and sophisticated group of people. They've been around a
long time. So tell us more.
- FULFORD: They are the elite -- the [descendants of] ancient
Babylonian kings. Their job is always to control the masses. So in a sense,
a lot of the Jews never really escaped from Babylonia to this day -- they
just don't know it.
- I think what happens is [the Jews] get used like a matador's
cape. Any time [the controllers] do something that pisses people off and
[the people] get angry, [the controllers] flash the Jews as the red cape.
- RENSE: They sure do. And they hung them out to dry and
sacrificed them in World War II. We know that now through the work of Jewish
scholars -- Lenny Brenner, Henry Makow, Ph.D. and a number of others who
found the truth out.
- If you really want to read the truth, direct from a man
who was in the middle of it, read 'Ten Questions to the Zionists' by Rabbi
Michael Dov Weissmandl. That's on Rense.com at the left side. Read it from
a Jewish man himself -- a rabbi who was there! Check it out.
- FULFORD: The Simon Wiesenthal center tried to get one
of my books banned here in Tokyo. Rabbi Cooper, from the Wiesenthal Center,
came over to the foreign correspondents' club. And I asked him, "Why
do you want my book banned?" He said it's because I mentioned that
President Bush killed 650,000 people in Iraq, which was based on an emergency
- So here we have a so-called polite (ph) people trying
to ban a book because it denounces genocide!
- RENSE: The hypocrisy is really beyond measure when it
comes to these people. They've been at it for a long, long time. They manipulate
the media -- in fact they OWN most of the media, so it makes their job