- It took me a very long time to break away from conventional
religious ideas that created the notion that God was something exterior
to us, something impersonal.
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- Like others, I believed in the idea that God was a being
of form that appeared like us but separated from us. I believed that God
gave us laws, and demanded obedience through worship.
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- It was often quoted that God sits upon his throne, so
of course all images were of God sitting like Kings and Queens do today.
That we were mere peasants that were to come before this throne to worship
and give of our goods before the kingdom.
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- It was difficult to view God in any other way. It was
supposed that God looked like a man with white hair and a white beard.
It was suggested that God had eyes and ears and two arms. What were we
to think other than the fact that God was a higher species of Human?
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- Well of course this is what is implied, because weren't
we told he created male and female after his own image and likeness? And
yet somehow we were supposed to view God as a spirit. Thus our only conclusion
must be, Spirit has form?
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- So our ideology of God was of a being that looked like
us but demanded worship and obedience while he sat upon his throne.
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- So the next logical step to take is that God somehow
using features that appeared as we do, was able to view away from his throne
and see all that was going on. In a sense God became Santa Clause.
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- Here we have a bearded being that somehow is aware of
all other beings upon this planet, and is somehow able to connect with
anyone at anytime as he sees fit.
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- Yet we realize that a being with form that has only two
eyes obviously is limited as to his perception as we are. Even if he had
perfect eyesight his perception would still be limited. Now most never
take these things to their ultimate conclusion. We like to fancy it up
a little and make cute off the cuff comments, stating that God knows everything,
and he is everywhere.
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- Yet in the back of our mind that ugly little voice keeps
asking stupid questions like, how is that possible? How can one being be
aware of everything when that one being is obviously limited by the same
form we are?
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- We might like to think we have great abilities, but the
fact is form limits everything.
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- So our prayers are dominated by the thinking process
that we might want to believe God is this or that, but we cannot convince
our inner heart that God would even pay attention to us at any given time.
Simply how does anyone know what is in everyone's heart at all times?
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- When you pray, how do you know that this God is actually
paying attention to you out of six billion people that are on this planet?
Why are you even significant enough for this God to concern himself with
you?
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- You see we have a problem with dynamics here. We as little
children might want to believe that a Red Suited, white bearded man could
pass gifts unto all children of the planet in one night, but the truth
is age always reveals the lie.
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- Deep down the secret is aborted when we begin to ascertain
certain absolutes that simply could not be otherwise.
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- But what if we changed the dynamics a tad, what if there
were six billion Santa's or six billion Santa helpers, or for sake of this
argument, what if there were six billion gods or God Helpers?
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- Now all of a sudden God becomes more personal, because
if there was a God for each of us, then we would all have access and no
one would have to be concerned whether God was paying attention or not.
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- In the Bible a Phrase that has caught many people's attention
leaps from the covers of this book because it is so unique from all the
rest of the Bible that it begs to issue forth a response as to why!
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- It was stated that the Kingdom of God is within YOU!
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- What is so interesting about this saying is that it is
revealing that a KINGDOM is within the individual. And not just any Kingdom,
but a Kingdom of God. What is a Kingdom of God?
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- And how is it that an entire Kingdom could be within
an individual?
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- When you think of Kingdom, you think of laws, rituals,
rites, political community or a monarchical form of Government, and a King
and/or a Queen. But most of all when you think of a Kingdom you think of
its citizens.
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- So it is a pretty powerful statement to make to reveal
a Kingdom is within an individual, and no less a Kingdom of God.
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- Usually the term is used to denote numbers. So if we
use the term animal Kingdom. Are we not specifying that the Kingdom is
of many animals? We could use the term plant kingdom, and we would understand
we were referring to many types of plants. And we already realize when
we use the term human kingdom; we are speaking of six billion humans at
present.
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- So why do we feel that the Kingdom of God or a God Kingdom
is referring to anything other than multiple gods?
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- We each are a human being. This specifies that each of
us is a singular attachment to the whole. However we are part of the human
kingdom. If there was only one of us, there would be no kingdom.
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- Yet how would it make sense to say that the Kingdom of
Humans is within us?
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- How is it that there could possibly be six billion humans
within each of us? This does not make sense does it?
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- Yet each of us are part of the human kingdom, so we are
individually human. The difference is the human kingdom is not within but
without.
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- Why?
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- Because in this kingdom we exist as FORM!
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- We understand that mass cannot occupy the same space.
So therefore everything that is in form we come in contact with is outside
of us. Form therefore represents a separation between one another.
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- This is why I began this article in the way I did. Because
if God or the SOURCE or that which I call the Father/Mother Energy were
form, then they would be separated from us as we individually are from
one another. And this is how most conceive and view God!
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- The Kingdom of God could not be within, it would always
have to be without.
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- Yet what if our creation was not flesh and blood which
equals density and form and creates separation, what if we were created
as spirit?
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- Many have often used the effect of teaching about how
a single drop of an ocean is still the ocean. There are innumerable drops
in an ocean. Yet the ocean has within itself all drops. In a sense this
helps us to better understand spirit by using our understanding of water
and how it coalesces with itself.
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- Spirit is everywhere as energy or water. A drop of spirit
is still the same as all spirit.
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- Understanding this helps us to better grasp the phrase
the Kingdom of God is within.
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- So the kingdom of God cannot be form, which creates separation
and evolves only through outer awareness, it must indeed be internal which
creates Internal Awareness.
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- The Kingdom of God must be Spirit energy that we all
possess within via our real creation. The creation of humanoid was a false
creation because it created separation.
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- This is why the Gods of the Bible version are fake because
they are separate beings that cannot be within individually. They are outer
Gods of illusion.
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- They created us to appear also as separate to them to
give the illusion that God is without, not within. We would have no special
connection to these beings if this be so. So therefore we are made to worship
and obey something that is external. If God was internal there would never
be a need to worship him because, its energy would be part of you and that
would mean you were worshiping you.
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- Only something that is external living in illusion would
ever demand worship and obedience.
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- This is why those words that the Kingdom of God is within
you are the most powerful words in all of the Bible. Just comprehending
this one aspect one would never need anything else.
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- The Kingdom of God reveals we are already part of the
energy that makes up that Kingdom. We are individually part of the whole
as the drop of water in an ocean.
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- The drop of water would no more be influenced to worship
the rest of the ocean any more than we should be influenced to worship
the Kingdom of God. For we are the Kingdom of God that is why it is within
us.
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- The closest thing we have in this form world is children
and their parents. We know to love our children and the children want to
love good parents. But we do not worship our parents, nor do good parents
demand obedience and worship from their children. For we recognize we are
ONE FAMILY and we are all equal. Although we have differing responsibilities
that does not mean one is better than the other is! We love our children
no matter what. We provide for them and guide them. But we realize our
children will one day be like us in different forms of course.
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- We are all children of perfect energy of love. We are
the offspring of this glory that will someday be revealed within us. But
the offspring is not the FORM we carry, but the energy within.
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- This is how the Kingdom of the Source Power is within
us.
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- Comment
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- Mary Sparrowdancer
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- Sure - I might as well jump in with both feet...I'll
catch hell, but people will eventually come to understand that Christianity
is the invention of Paul, a Jewish man who was the *only* apostle who never
met, saw, followed, or studied the teachings of Jesus.
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- Christianity is based upon Paul's teachings, NOT those
of Jesus. Paul teaches us to be submissive and "obey rulers"
because they are "ministers of god." Jesus, on the other
hand, has been a complete rebel and liberator since day one, clearly
breaking laws that common sense deems to be stupid.
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- I think the writer above almost has it right. But
he's wrong.
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- The "kingdom of god" IS within us, because
it is within our DNA, which was given to us in the beginning by the "gods"
who put it into us. The big problem is, we no longer have any understanding
of what the word "god" meant 2000 years ago. It was a very common
word, because people were seeing them (gods) everywhere - as common
as UFO sightings are now, which are rattling the jealous Jewish overlord
(who has a fondness for cattle), Jehovah. If you have a chance to read
"Antiquities," followed by "Kyrie Eleison," which are
the last two chapters I sent to you from my new book, it's all in there.
We need to get rid of Judaism, AND Christianity, as they are the invented
tools of control and spiritual death.
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- Comment
Alton Raines
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- God does not demand worship, he desires it. And why do
people have such difficulty with humbling themselves before an Almighty,
Eternal Creator? God has established true personal will in man, and allowed
him to make his choices. There is no compulsion to loving or worshiping
the Almighty, merely the message that he desires us to enter into his "rest,"
part of which involves worship. Unfortunately, people tend to fight and
struggle against the Creator who is offering the greatest and most enduring
love of all, thinking somehow they will lose something of themselves by
giving the just deserved praise and worship to the Supreme Being. How foolish
man is! And this is the essence of the problem with man, willful pride,
which through disobedience to perfect wisdom led to his fall, and brought
death; and from this the Creator has been seeking to redeem man, to lift
him out of the mire of his self-imposed cycle of sin and death, to raise
him to glorious heights. The Holy God of All demonstrated this in the person
of His only begotten Son, Jesus, whose name in Hebrew is Yehsua (meaning
'God Our Salvation With Us') who is the Christ, the Anointed One, the Messiah
and King of Kings, to whom God bestowed all blessings, and honor and glory
and gave him a name above all names; and even directed all to cast their
worship to Him, for he is worthy. He was raised from the dead immortal,
for He alone lived a life pleasing to God, in perfect holiness and faith,
and offered himself as a blood atoning sacrifice, even a ransom, to free
mankind from slavery to sin and death. This was his mission, sent by God,
out of love for mankind.
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- It is error to believe that human beings by birth are
One with the divine. It simply is not so, and the tortured, violent, wretched
state of our world demonstrates this more than abundantly. No, man is not
in synch or harmony with either nature or the Creator. But a simple path
to that harmony has been given through true and abiding faith in Christ.
And this will, one day, result in a perfect world, filled with righteousness,
when God's plan is come to fruition. Through love, and demonstrating that
ultimate love in sending His Only Begotten Son, God is reconciling the
world to Himself. We live in the time of the battle between light and darkness,
between good and evil. But God is merciful, as the Psalmist wrote, "He
remembers that we are but dust." He knows our weak and fallen state,
and more perfectly through Christ, who lived as a man and suffered every
temptation and indignity, yet without sin.
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- Jesus did not teach us to rebel against authority, on
the contrary, he told us to be obedient, to render unto Caesar that which
is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's. Paul is often misunderstood
regarding his statement about obedience to rulers and law. One need only
look at the number of times Paul himself disobeyed the rule of law (escaping
from prison, for example) or his many acts of civil disobedience. It doesn't
take a rocket scientist to see that there are times when the law of God
is superior to the law of the land.
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- Paul is perpetually misunderstood because most people
have little or no comprehension of the Scriptures at all. They do not understand
that the Gospels, for the most part, are a record of Christ's first appearance
and judgment of the age that then was, and chiefly upon the people to whom
God had first given the divine oracles. This is why there is a perceived
disparity between the teachings of Jesus and of Paul, for Jesus' teachings
as recorded in the Gospels is primarily directed to the Jews, who were
judged for having allowed themselves to become corrupted. As Matthew 13
shows, Jesus spoke to them in Parables in order to hide the mystery of
the Kingdom from their eyes, and he says this plainly to the disciples.
But Paul is not writing or speaking to them, rather, to Gentiles who were
to become the immediate recipients of the oracles, of the Kingdom and of
God's work on earth, through the Christ. Hence, the words of Paul are often
quite unique to the words of Christ, but nevertheless were directed by
the Lord Jesus Christ to and through Paul to all gentiles who would become
partakers of the faith and glorious inheritance God the Father had established
in Him, and for all who received him, becoming with Abraham "join
heirs" in the great Promise of a new and lasting Covenant of love,
mercy, understanding and hope, for the groundwork of establishing the Kingdom
of God on earth. This is the orthodox perspective and is manifest in the
Scriptures for all to see, hear and by faith, receive.
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Frank
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- Here's my two cents; I see the invisible universal force
that is everywhere and comprises everything as intelligent universal energy.
It's thoughts give our universe form and our thoughts give our 3-D reality
form. Since everything is energy it is easy to comprehend that everything
everywhere is the same, always vibrating in its specific form. All there
is in our universe is energy. Since everything is energy everything is
connected at all times. What gives our universe life is the polarity of
energy vibrating within itself. This is like the heart of the universe
pumping activity in our existence. It is the constant pushing to achieve
a balanced state of existence that is prevalent in all.
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- The universe puts out a standing wave of a specific frequency
(528hz) and all energy attempts to align with this specific frequency to
find balance. This is the nature of our universe. Anything that disrupts
or creates a block to this action causes the natural balance to become
unstable which leads to dis-harmony or dis-ease.
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- In "Harnessing the Power of the Universe" A
complete and practical guide to the principles and practice of Chi-Gung.......author
Daniel Reid write's......
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- "Virtually all spiritual traditions Eastern and
as well Western, agree on two basic points: that the power that created
the universe and sustains all life within is guided by a set of primordial
principals that transcend all cultural definitions and may collectively
be referred to as "wisdom" or "truth", and that this
universal power of creation has always been motivated by and therefore
should never be invoked without, he compassionate empathy for life known
throughout the world as "love". Wisdom, love and power - these
are the three inseparable virtues, the transcendent triunal forces of the
universe. Known in Chinese tradition simply as the "Tao", or
"Way", and respectfully attributed to the power of 'Heaven",
the universal laws of creative energy constitute the basic code of chi-gung
practice. But to paraphrase Shakespeare, "the Tao by any other name
would be as great". Thus, in monotheistic Western traditions, the
same triunal trinity of wisdom, love and power is known as "God",
in Hinduism it is the "Trimurti" of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva,
in Buddhism it's the emptiness, luminosity and energy of "Bodhi"
or "Enlightened Mind", and in Native American tradition it's
called the "Great Spirit". It is due to the sacred nature of
this creative power that access to it was so carefully protected from profane
practitioners and kept secret from the mere curiosity seekers.
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- In today's world, power has come to be regarded as a
virtue in and of itself, divorced from wisdom and love by the rationalizations
of science and technology. The abuse and destruction wreaked upon our world
by people who use technology to harness universal power such as nuclear
energy for purposes that contradict the laws of universal wisdom and deviate
from the compassionate motivation of universal love, are obvious for all
to see. But few are willing to admit that the problem of the wholesale
mismanagement of the world's resources really starts with our own individual
mismanagement of our most precious private resource - our personal energy.
Suffice to say that without wisdom, power is blind, and usually arrogant
and aggressive as well. Without love, power is cold, calculating, often
cruel, always self-serving. Conversely, wisdom without the power to enact
itself is useless, and love without the power to express itself is impotent.
Thus all three factors - wisdom, love and power - carry equal weight in
the grand equation of "Triplex Unity" and everything in it.
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- Polarity
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- At some inconceivably prior point in the distant past,
the undifferentiated primordial unity which precede the formation of the
stars and planets and all the various elements and energies of the universe
was rent asunder to produce two forces that set in motion the ceaseless
flux of creation. Known in Western cosmology as the "Big Bang",
this primal event is sparely described in the Tao Teh Ching: "One
gave birth to two". The two came to be known as Yin and Yang, and
the polarity to which they gave rise, and which in turn gave birth to everything
in the universe , is called "The Great Principal of Yin and Yang".
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- So for me....God is everywhere all the time and there
isn't anything that is not God. It works for me....and since no one can
or will know everything...each individual's opinion on this becomes his
reality. This version brings a lot of responsibility to the individual
but I find it very rewarding.
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- Love and compassion to all,
Frank
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- Comment
Sixstap
- Re: The Lost Secret
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- To Gnostic, Mary Sparrowdancer, and Alton Raines
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- You made ornately interesting comments but, speculation
aside, just one question: Where's tangible proof of what you said?
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Mary Sparrowdancer
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- All one needs to do is look at the bible to see
that Jehovah DEMANDS worship, and demands a death penalty (stoning)
for those who refuse. Jesus was OPENLY violating the rules of hate-filled
Jehovah, and in John 8 he referred to the god of Israel as a liar, a murderer,
and the devil. "He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding
to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his
native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies." These are
not the adoring words of his "only begotten son," they are the
words of his immortal enemy: Jesus, who was sent from a different god to set
people free from a draconian religion. Twenty years later, Paul then
went on a crusade and countered what Jesus had done - Paul brought
draconian Jehovah to the Gentiles. It was Paul who first falsely wrote
that Jesus was gone and no longer in the picture. He's not gone. He's
right here, walking among us, unnoticed and unrecognized.
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- I am curious - if Jesus was your "god's only begotten
son," then why are there FIVE verses in the Old Testament referring
to "the sons of god(s)" ??? - also, why was your *almighty*
powerless when confronting men driving "chariots of iron" -
??? - And, why does your "god of all" refer to Gentiles
and heathens throughout the Old Testament as "goys" ???
It is error to suggest that we are NOT born one with the divine. We
are from the divine, and born in innocence. It is only when we are later
taught about Jehovah's hatred that we are rendered into submissive
filth by "religion." Declare almost everything
illegal, and almost everyone becomes a criminal/sinner. Let the kingdom
finally come of the god of peace that Jesus prayed for. You can
have Jehovah. Humanity, and Jesus, have had enough of him.
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Alton Raines
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- Mary, your reading of the Old Testament is seriously
skewed! And totally out of context, which is common. God delivered the
Hebrews out of slavery in Egypt and they rebelled against his goodness
and lovingkindness, invoking his wrath. A well deserved it was! These people
were freed from slavery and did nothing but grumble, complain, back-bite
and insult the grace of God. He fed them in the wilderness with Manna,
and they bitched about it. They were ungrateful swine. And as someone once
said, "Villainy is forgivable, but ingratitude, never." Still,
he made provisions for their sinfulness and rebellion, though many were
dealt with directly and harshly -- and again, deservedly so. One cannot
witness what they witnessed regarding the power of God and his mercy and
spit upon it and expect to live. He was not demanding worship, He was,
as it says, giving them a simple choice: "Choose this day, life or
death, blessing or cursing." They chose the curse. They chose to knowingly,
willfully despite the spirit of Grace and reject God's ways, which are
the way to peace, contentment, happiness and abundant life. And because
they chose cursing, he laid upon them the burden of what they chose, the
law of sin and death. And such was the Covenant given them, violated the
very day Moses brought the good commandments down from the mount.
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- I'm shocked that your comprehension of the Gospels is
such that you interpret Jesus to be speaking of 'God' when he described
the devil as the Father of lies, a liar and murderer from the beginning!
You've either missed something or are deliberately twisting the meaning
of a scripture to mesh with your pre-determined view. Jesus makes it very
clear that the God of the Old Covenant is His Heavenly Father who sent
him, the very same "Jehovah" (YHWH) that gave Moses the Ten Commandments
and was the author of the First Covenant (Matthew 19:17). Jesus perpetually
quoted what you call the 'evil' god of the Old Testament as being THE Supreme
Authority and Being, His Father. How could you possibly miss THAT? Most
Bibles give clear indication when Jesus is quoting from the OT, the vast
majority of which are the direct words of God. And if the deeper truth
be known, the mean-old nasty God of the OT you despise was in almost every
case the preincarnate Lord, Christ Himself, who is the mediator between
God and Man, who operated through the agency of angels to the Hebrews who
were given the oracles of God. When Christ incarnated, his first ministerial
act was to announce, reading from the scroll of Isaiah, "The Spirit
of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel
to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance
to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty
them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord."
He then closed the scroll and did complete the passage, for the next sentence
is "...and the day of His judgment." The is why there appears
to be such stark contrast between YHWH of the Old Testament, in some peoples
estimation, and Jesus -- Jesus was proclaiming the FAVORABLE Year of the
Lord, which still is unto this very day and will remain until His Second
Coming. The ushering in of a new and better Covenant brought drastic change.
But once the Favorable year of the Lord is completed, this same Jesus will
descend from heaven with a shout, the voice of archangel, the trump of
God, and He will avenge the blood of the saints, and will personally "tread
the winepress of the wrath of God."
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- As for the "sons of God," you've missed it,
yet again. Jesus is His only BEGOTTEN Son, born of woman. All the angels
are called B'nai Elohim (sons of God), even Adam is called "a"
son of God. But Christ Jesus was the only 'begotten' of the Father, and
if you read Hebrews 1 you will understand this clearly. Jesus is the only
one whom God created to be born from a human womb, and who had pre-existence
with God prior to incarnation, to carry out the mission of the Christ on
earth. It was prophesied that the Messiah would be a kinsman redeemer,
and this is why Jesus was born of woman, miraculously, of a virgin, as
it is written "a body hast thou prepared me" (Hebrews 10:5).
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- As for your other contentions, there are many diverse
and obscure passages in the Old Testament which require considerable study,
and admittedly some are peculiar, such as in 2 Samuel, when the Lord "rode
a cherub, and did fly," as if He needed a Cherub to do so. Or God
resting on the 7th day after creation -- does God get 'tired'? Can an infinite,
Almighty God be exhausted? Further study reveals other truths, facts and
meanings to such passages which do not detract from the singular picture
of an Almighty God, but as Paul said, the Word must be "right divided,"
and that requires patient, careful study, prayer and spiritual insight
delivered from the Spirit of God Himself.
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- goy "gentile, non-Jew" (pl. goyim), 1835, from
Heb. goy "people, nation;" in Mishnaic and Modern Heb., also
"gentile." (Online Etymology Dictionary, © 2001 Douglas
Harper)
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- As for "Goy," the Hebrew word simply means
"Nations" - "ethnos" -- it was merely a means of expressing
difference between the Hebrew people and all others. It was not God who
placed any disparaging connotation to it, it was Rabbinic racists who did.
Their condemnation is just, and was pronounced repeatedly by Christ, in
whom "there is neither Jew nor Greek, slave or free, male or female,"
as penned by that terrible, awful Jehovist PAUL wrote!
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- Ya' think maybe he wasn't quite the scum bag you've set
out to make him to be, Mary?
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- Reply/Comment
- Mary Sparrowdancer
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- I'm glad you're "shocked," Alton, because sometimes
it takes a great big shock to wake people up, and fundamentalists of ANY
"religion" need bigger shocks than the rest of us need. I
am not "interpreting" your draconian scriptures, I am quoting
from them, and I used quotation marks. The difference between what
I'm reading and what you're reading is that you're apparently limited to
reading English mistranslations. I'm reading it in a few languages, including
Hebrew. Please remember, I was sent to Hebrew school by my rabbi (before
I became an athiest), and that I learned to read Latin in
my earliest years when I was Catholic; I studied Greek as an adult.
I should point out that I only became an athiest because I rejected Jehovah.
I am a staunch follower of the teachings of Jesus - who paid me a
visit here first in 1988, while I was an athiest. I reject all teachings
of Paul or Paul's god, Jehovah.
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- Please, Alton, do not tell me that "goy" is
a word of love used by your draconian god of hatred who needs to be retired,
along with the teachings of Draco. I wasn't born yesterday and neither
were the other people who do not like being called "Goys." This
is like telling my Jewish friends that "Kike" is a word
of love used by the Gentiles and that they should gladly accept this word
as a title of love and respect, or -- that my Black friends should
gladly accept the title of "Nigger," or that my own ancestry
should accept the many names they have been called. In fact,
these are well-known disgraceful terms. Why is your god calling you
and one-third of the world "Goys," Alton? Why is your god calling
you a stranger who should be fed food that is disgusting and defiled and
not to be eaten by his "Chosen?" (And no Goy is among the
"Chosen.") Why is America, land of the Goys, now eating primarily
poisoned food?
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- Your quote from Paul (that you erroneously stated is
from Jesus) that there is "neither Jew nor Greek, slave or free, male
or female" is equally as disturbing. While you might have been admiring
an "equality," most people do not understand that one of
the fundamental planks of communism is the blurring of everything
and everyone until everyone loses their individual identity. Communism,
inadvertently helped by fundamentalist Christianity, has now taken over
the U.S. The truth is we ARE Jew or Greek - or whatever we might be.
We ARE Slave or Free, and god knows, the many slaves in the many
growing prisons all over the U.S. (and elsewhere) know the difference.
We ARE Male or Female. We have never been only "one" sort of
a blurred being, and we should all be respected and represented by
counsel as such, not blurred into the state/federally controlled mass
of mush in which you, your war god, and his lone apostle would
like to view us.
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- Jesus openly recognized and recognizes individuals, individual
rights, and he has relentlessly urged us all to "seek the
truth," within, individually. Indivuallity has been his major teaching
since day one. Not communism.
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- Reply
Alton Raines
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- Mary, firstly, I am not a fundamentalist. I have many
disagreements with conventional Christian/Church dogmas. Secondly, I never
said Jesus said it, I clearly said Paul was the person I was quoting: 'Their
condemnation is just, and was pronounced repeatedly by Christ, in whom
"there is neither Jew nor Greek, slave or free, male or female,"
as penned by that terrible, awful Jehovist PAUL wrote!' You misread what
I was saying, and misunderstood it, as I think you do most Biblical texts.
I don't think you understand the mystery of God in Christ, the Covenants
and the plan of God as laid out in Scripture. Despite all your higher learning,
and a personal visitation (I will not question your veracity on this),
it all seems to make no sense to you at all. And yet, it makes perfect
sense to untold millions, and tens of thousands of Biblical scholars through
the ages who have been able to rightly discern the meaning and not come
to outrageous conclusions or, as you have done, ascribe to God that which
is Satanic.
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- There is no racism in distinguishing between Jews and
Gentiles, and as Peter said, "Of a truth I perceive that God is no
respecter of persons: But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh
righteousness, is accepted with him." So don't try to play off the
hatreds wicked humans have ascribed to and defiled the good word of God
with to make points with the angry ones who you wish to stir to greater
animosity and hatred of the One True God. You apparently do not understand
what Paul means when he says there is neither Jew nor Greek "in"
Christ Jesus.
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- I am not surprised that you understand 'goy' to be a
derogative, it has been made one, but it was never intended by God to be
one -- and yes, the heathen were heathens, they were not the same as the
people of God to whom the oracles and Law was delivered, but there are
exceptions in everything (as Peter attests). The Jews took the entire truth
delivered to them and turned it into a force for evil and hatred, based
almost entirely on their us vs. them racist, elitist views, which Christ
condemned (the subject of my quote). Christ reconciles all such distinctions
in Himself, through His perfection. The heathen world was not condemned
by God, or as you put it, "stranger(s) who should be fed food that
is disgusting and defiled and not to be eaten by his "Chosen?"
You are also absolutely incorrect in saying that no goy was ever part of
the "Chosen" -- Abraham himself was a Chaldean (to whom God said
"I shall make of thee the father of many goy," rightly translated
"nations"), Rahab the harlot was in the bloodline of Christ Himself.
The "chosen" are merely those who rightly discern the true Nature
of God and His righteousness, whomever and wherever they may be (the wise
men who came to worship the Lord Jesus were by no means Jews or Israelites!)
despite their baser natural instincts and sinful inclinations to distort,
pervert and suppress the truth with vain imaginations and idolatries fit
to feed their sin nature, justify their sin and blind themselves to their
fate, which is spiritual death. For the wages of sin are death.
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- Even Paul (once again, that miserable wretch you so despise)
wrote that when the heathen who has not the law and knowledge of God does
the things of righteousness instinctively, he proves to have a law unto
himself, and further stated that they would be judged accordingly, "their
conscience alternately accusing or defending them on the day of judgment"
when the world will be judged through the person of Jesus Christ. Further,
he said that God had "winked at the time of ignorance" regarding
the pagan world, which stood outside the Covenant knowledge. THIS is the
raging, evil war-god you so hate? One who winks at ignorance and seeks
to save that which is lost, to enlighten that which is in darkness? And
even further, that Jesus Christ Himself descended into the underworld at
His death, and preached the gospel to all the spirits in prison, "...though
they were dead in the flesh as men, they might live in the spirit toward
God." Sounds like a pretty merciful, loving, longsuffering and just
God to me.
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- I think you've opted for a "groovy god" of
your own making and imagination, with no real law, no sin, no need for
redemption, everyone is born at 'one with the divine' -- the NEW Jesus,
practically torn from the script of the movie Dogma (or something worse).
You're certainly free to believe whatever you wish, but the scriptures
(and I have done my share of Hebrew and Greek studies, ma'am) testify against
you, that you have turned aside from the right path and, like the foolish
Galatians, someone has bewitched you to believe in another Jesus which
is not the Jesus of the Word of God, and in turn, delivered you to hating
His and our Heavenly Father. I pray that is not the case, but it certainly
appears so from what you have written.
And what has 'communism' got to do with anything we're trying to address
here?!? I certainly never mentioned it.
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Horst Hartmann
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- Question to Alton Raines: Can your 'almighty God' (or
is it 'G-d'??) ceate a stone which is so heavy that he can not lift it?
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- This is an application of Goedel's theorem. It shows
quite clearly that with our rather limited intelligence we are not able
to understand the spirit of love. We can, if we really want, only feel
his presence WITHIN us and around us - and when you really feel that spirit
then you see the light, then you find it difficult to harm a living being,
to lie, to destroy beauty ... Those who refuse to feel it are condemned
to living in darkness. No jealous God condems them - they condemn themselves!
In this sense worship is the respect and the love of living creation.
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- Greetings
Horst Hartmann
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- Reply
Alton Raines
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- Actually, I've always thought that question was a bit
peculiar because the nature and character of God are both quite well put
forth in scripture, and there is an answer (and no, not 'G-d'). The answer
is absolutely yes, but He would not. God has a will. God is a person. He
can do all things, but whether He WILL do all things is an entirely different
matter. Could He? Yes. Would He? No.
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- I must respectfully disagree with part your assessment
-- He IS a jealous God, He does punish the wicked and He desires the love
and worship rightfully due to Him, and though yes, we can honor God by
being obedient to natural enlightenment, as you properly describe it, there
is an even greater enlightenment which would entirely confound those limited
to natural enlightenment; Natural law is not Divine law. "As heaven
is higher than the earth, so are my ways and my thoughts higher than yours,
says the Lord." We CAN know what He desires of us. Worshiping and
serving the creation/creature over the the Creator is idolatry, and God
detests it (Romans 1). So much so, that He gives those who practice such
over to depravity and madness. "Thinking themselves wise," they
become fools, and they are profoundly in darkness.
As it is written, "For the invisible things of him from the creation
of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are
made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither
were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish
heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like
to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their
own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves: Who changed
the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served the creature more
than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen."
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- From Mary Sparrowdancer
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- No, not "a" personal visitation, Alton - almost
twenty years filled with visits, beginning in 1988. At that time,
he healed me of cancer.
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- That year was "one generation" (forty
years) after the Age of the Gentiles in Jerusalem ended and Jerusalem
was turned over to the Jews. The state of Israel was created
in 1948, same year I was. He arrived here right on time. I, of
course, was an atheist by that time, and had left "Christianity"
and Judaism far behind many years earlier. I had no idea who was visiting
me until he revealed his identity to me nine months later. It was
very hard for me to accept his identity at first, because I had come to
despise the "Jesus" that Paul (who never met him) was teaching.
Even Paul wrote that the other apostles were teaching about a "different"
Jesus from the Jesus Paul was teaching.
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- Anyway, he told me to "Tell others everything you
have seen and heard," and so I have (reluctantly at first) spent almost
twenty years doing this. He told me this would be a "very important
twenty years." That time is now almost at an end. What
might be my final book about all of this will be published soon, and I'm
not sure what will happen after that.
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- I came to love him, of course, because the true
Jesus is much more than the false one taught to us by those who never met
him. He's a dynamic, political rebel, fully flesh and blood - sometimes
Light - and his focus is upon freedom, human rights, civil liberties. He
gave us a new "commandment," and a new covenant with a different
god 2000 years ago, and we have so far ignored it. ("Love one another.")
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- Communism - the reason I mentioned it is because we
do not now have a separation of state and religion. As such, the laws
of Jehovah are slowly blending with the laws of government. As this
country moves away from the Constitution, and into a communist, totalitarian
dictatorship, only certain narrow views are permitted by the
fundamentalist "gate keepers." Those who have slowly turned
this country into a communist nation are also embracing war, and the
war god. Mainstream Christianity, as you show us, demands that we approve
or "interpret" the bloodbaths of Jehovah as the acts of
a "merciful, loving, longsuffering and just" god. This
is like saying "war is peace." The lies and the deceit must stop.
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- Here are some of the suggestions and teachings attributed
to Jehovah, for those not familiar with the Old Testament.
Please interpret them, yourself. Isaiah 13:16 - "Their little
children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their
homes will be sacked, and their wives raped by the attacking hordes."
Hosea: "Their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with
child shall be ripped up." Instructions from Jehovah in Deuteronomy
20: "But the cities that Jehovah gives you as a special inheritance, destroy
everything living in them." He also instructs to kill
all the males in the towns taken, but "you may keep for yourselves
all the women, children, livestock and other plunder. You may enjoy the
spoils of your enemies that Jehovah gives to you." Exodus: "Anyone
who curses father or mother must be put to death." Whoever works on
the Sabbath must be put to death. Deuteronomy 21: If you have a stubborn
and rebellious son, take him to the city elders and stone him to death.
And so on, and so on.
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