- The following is a transcript from the Los Angeles-based
TV talk Show, "Let's Talk...Paranormal."
- The guest - Dr. Roger Leir - has extensively researched
the controversial area of so-called "alien implants" and is
by award-winning Show Host & Executive Producer, Tracie
- Let's Talk Paranormal - LTP
- Dr. Roger Leir - DRL
- LTP: My guest this evening, Dr. Roger Leir, is known
as a true pioneer in the field of Ufology, and he's also highly respected
in many countries around the world for the magnificent work he does. I'm
also very happy to say that he's a personal, dear friend of mine. Now,
I know what you're going to say: is this man for real? And I have to say:
yes he is. And are the implants for real, Roger?
- DRL: They certainly are, Tracie.
- LTP: Tell me a little bit more about them. How did you
get involved with all of this?
- DRL: Well, most of the things in my life have been one
synchronistic event after the other, and I became interested in the field
of Ufology many, many years ago, even as a child. But if someone had told
me in my younger days that I would be removing objects suspected of being
alien implants, I'd have told them they are nuts. But, anyway, the first
case we did was August 19th of 1995. We did two cases of individuals who
had objects in their bodies, who were represented by X-Ray evidence, and
they were touted to be alien implants. And I did the surgery really to
prove that this was nonsense.
- LTP: Now, wait a minute...did these people come to you
with symptoms in their bodies? You know: were they having pain?
- DRL: The first two people who came to me, Tracie, were
referred by someone else who was doing some research in the alien abduction
field, and he was the one who showed me the X-Rays, and had touted them
as being alien implants, and I thought this was utter nonsense. So I
him by simply saying, "Well why don't you take them out and we'll
see what they are?" and he said, "Well, I think that the person
would have that done, but unfortunately she doesn't have any money, and
she doesn't have any medical insurance." And I said, "Well, where
does she live?" He said, "She lives in Texas," and I said,
"Well, I'll tell you what: you get her to California, and I'll do
the surgery with no charge." He said, "You really mean
and I said: "Yes I do." So that's how the initial contact was
made, and then over the next couple of weeks we had several telephone
and he came up with another individual who had an object in the back of
his hand, and I asked him to send me the X-Rays so that our radiologist
could look at it. He did, and I asked a general surgeon friend of mine
if he would be willing to do this case. So, anyway, on August 19th we did
these few cases.
- LTP: So, the question is: how do these foreign objects
get inside someone's body that apparently has no entry?
- DRL: Yeah, that was common to all the 10 surgeries we
did: there was no entry wound, and there was nothing out of place. We
high and wide with magnification for a scar or some evidence where this
went in, and we couldn't find anything. But, if you have a technology which
is advanced enough to get here from somewhere else or through somewhere
else...because we don't really know whether these are extraterrestrials,
or inter dimensional, or time travelers or all the above...so if you have
that kind of technology then perhaps you have the ability to enter into
a living body and put something in, or take something out without
interrupting the molecular structure of the skin or other tissues.
- LTP: So, why are these objects there? What is the
do you think?
- DRL: Well, after considering this over a number of years,
Tracie, I've come to the conclusion that these objects are there for
purposes. I believe that for thousands of years the human race has been
genetically manipulated. And I did a study recently of seventeen functional
growth characteristics in children and compared them over a forty year
period, 1947 to 1987, and found that there was a sixteen to eighty percent
accelerated change, and that is a lot for that short period of time. Now,
why is this happening? Is it evolution? I think not, not for that short
period of forty years. The next biggest area, then, has to be the
So, we look at all the environmental factors, depletion of the ozone layer,
bombardment with more cosmic rays and other high-energy particles: could
that do it? Is it television? Is it the food? Is it pollution of the
Well, in the first place, if you look at these on a geographical level,
these changes are worldwide; so we have a myriad of different changes that
are going on in the environment, but yet these statistics remain the same.
So if the child survives, then these statistics become true. So, I rule
out environment, and if you rule out environment, and you rule out
this only leads to two other possibilities. Is it an act of God? And if
you're satisfied with that, yes, it's an act of God. And if you're not
satisfied with that - if you have more of an inquisitive mind ñ
then the only other possibility is that the human race is being genetically
manipulated; and which takes us back to why have an implant in the human
body. There have been other theories that have been put forth, like devices
so that they can track the individual - which was recently seen in Steven
Spielberg's "Taken." Or are they devices for measuring changing
chemicals with pollution in our bodies? Now, I don't think it's either
one of those. I think that it has to do with monitoring genetics.
- LTP: Really? What did you think when you first removed
these objects? Did you think: "What do I have here?" Because
it's obviously undergone tests. What are these things made of?
- DRL: Yes, well, you're more than inquisitive when you
go into someone's body, and I've been doing this surgery on the foot for
thirty-seven years. During that time, Iíve removed a lot of
paper, hair; you name it, Iíve taken it out of the foot. But when
you go in and you go into a place and there's no scarification, and then
you remove a "T" shaped object that's wrapped in this very
tight-clinging, glove-like membrane, gray in color, then you take a
blade and you try to cut through it and it won't cut, hey, this is
This is something other than what we remove. Then, of course, we went to
the other side of the toe and removed another object which was a little
"cantaloupe seed" shaped object covered in this strange membrane,
and we tried to cut through that one and it wouldn't cut through. And then
we went on to do a gentleman and removed an object from the back of his
hand, and it turns out to be exactly like the one we removed from the lady.
That's mind-boggling in itself. And it was covered with the same strange,
gray, tight-fighting, well-organized membrane.
- LTP: My goodness.
- DRL: And, you can't cut through it with a surgical
- LTP: So, how many implant removals have you done to
- DRL: Well, to date we've done ten surgeries, which have
produced eleven objects, and one of these turned out to be an ordinary
piece of bottle glass. But when I say "ordinary" I should explain
it's an expensive piece of bottle glass. Maybe it wasn't expensive when
the company made it, but it was expensive to find out what it was. It had
some interesting properties, and one was that it contained sulphur, and
most glass does not contain sulphur. So we tracked this to one batch of
glass of medicinal bottles, and that's what came out of this lady's foot.
Now, she was an abductee; so it was just that this object was working its
way out and was not an implant. But the others have all been found by
laboratories to be very, very interesting.
- LTP: And I believe from your research that so many of
your objects have been found on the left side of the body; and then the
more recent surgery was on the right side of the body. Why do you think
that is the case?
- DRL: Well, I think that proves that if you're going to
do a scientific study that you shouldn't jump to conclusions. Yes, we did
have nine objects that came out of the left side, and number ten came out
of the right side. So perhaps if we do another ten or another hundred,
we'll have a greater statistic, and it'll be a lot more accurate.
- LTP: What do the patient's say once you remove these
objects? I mean: are they totally bewildered?
- DRL: Well, you've got to remember that part of the
and protocols that A&S Research have to set up to do the scientific
studies, is that - preliminarily - the individual has to have two things
going for them. They have to have some exposure to the UFO phenomena, and
number two: we do not like individuals to have undergone regressive
prior to the surgery. So whatever they have as a conscious memory has to
serve time into the area of research and how do they feel. We have two
that were examined by our psychological team, and two that said something
that was very interesting: that after removal of these objects they had
a new found feeling of freedom. Now, you can ask me what that means. Well
to this day I don't have a clue, but it's interesting that two people say
the same thing.
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