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- By Skye Turell <mindtrekker@mindspring.com 9-23-99
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- Abductions - The Truth By John C. Thompson <gin@mindspring.com
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- ST: "The Truth" - this is grandiose as hell.
I don't think anyone knows the complete and total truth about the abduction
phenomenon. We might know bits and pieces of truth. We certainly know
many expressions of the phenomenon and certain consistent factors. But
we don't know "The Truth." That was my first tip-off that this
guy John Thompson might be a little suspect, despite his apparent credentials.
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- JT: Since the modern era of abductions began with the
Barney and Betty Hill UFO close encounter of September 19, 1961 in New
Hampshire, ufology has never been the same. Before the Hills' encounter,
UFO sightings were investigated in a prescribed, straight forward manner
that involved gathering supporting evidence while simultaneously trying
to disprove a witness's account. The Hill's remarkable experience injected
a new element, regressive hypnosis.
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- ST: "Oh, here it comes." That was my first
response in reading the above sentence. He's gonna start harping about
the unreliability of hypnosis, which I also happen to be a little wary
of, as a means of discrediting the abduction experience. (Of course he
neatly side-steps the fact that there are MANY abduction accounts from
before the Hill case and before hypnosis was used.)
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- JT: In future entity-related cases hypnosis would often
come to be the only means to prove or disprove an alleged encounter with
aliens.
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- ST: Hardly a factual statement. In most abduction cases,
it's my experience that abductees go to researchers and/or hypnotists in
order to discover what happened to them. A means of self-exploration,
NOT a means of "proving" that the incident was real in a scientific
sense. There must have been some degree of reality, at least in the experience
of the abductee, in order to drive them to visit a researcher or hypnotist,
however the abductees' are first and foremost trying to understand the
experience, not prove anything to the world.
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- JT: This is true of all of the abductees I know who have
sought out hypnosis as an investigative/therapeutic tool. And it's true
of all the abduction accounts I've read.
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- ST: From the point of view of the researcher, I've never
heard a key abduction researcher claim that a particular case was valid,
exactly as described by the abductee, either with or without the use of
hypnosis. Virtually all abductees are aware that there are missing pieces
to their experience, and episodes that are less vividly recalled than others,
not to mention what appears to be an ability of the ETs to alter memory
and cloud recall. So there is no proving or disproving taking place here.
No claims whatsoever about particular episodes or cases, although the debunkers
are very quick to latch onto whatever generalizations seem to serve their
purposes.
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- It is true that the abduction accounts, taken as a whole,
have fallen into some general patterns, with some strikingly unique differences,
which tend to validate these experiences. If we saw none of these differences,
that would raise questions and support the idea that the commonalities
are a result of overlay from one experiencer to another. But that's not
the case.
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- As has been repeated ad nauseum by the abduction researchers,
the same kinds of experiences are revealed under hypnosis and without the
aid of hypnosis. As I recall the figure, at least 50% of experiences are
recalled without hypnosis. And I'm part of that 50%+ figure. I've had
MANY experiences, and have never undergone hypnosis. I remember whatever
I remember, and have forgotten some. I can even tell you where some of
the holes in the timeline lie. As I think about it, I only know a few
abductees who HAVE undergone hypnotic regression, and many more who haven't.
I suspect this is true across the board, as most people are hesitant to
even discuss what happened, much less run around consulting strangers.
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- JT: Hypnotherapy, in short, became a quick truth serum
that often eliminated the necessity of independent witnesses and background
checks of the alleged abductees.
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- ST: "Necessity" in the eyes of a professional
UFO researcher, perhaps. But to the average abductee on the street, there
are no researchers handy and little desire to have strangers interviewing
friends, neighbors and family. This experience puts tremendous strain
on family relationships. To ask some families to undergo this kind of direct
confrontation with reality would be more than the shaky structure could
bear.
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- JT: The lack of supporting physical evidence and why
abductions, almost without exception, were never reported to local police
agencies was not addressed. OK, so I'll address it. Your implication that
this is an attempt to deceive is a little weak, dude.
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- ST: There is a paradox involving physical evidence.
On the one hand, there is TONS of it. Highly unusual burned patches in
backyards, occurring in the exact place that multiple independent witnesses
saw a craft and/or strange lights, sounds or other effects. Physical evidence
on/in the abductee's body as well. These scars and whatnot occurring on
the exact night that other forms of supporting evidence were present.
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- On the other hand, capturing a UFO on film is like capturing
lightning in a bottle. And capturing the Ets, their craft or pieces thereof
is downright impossible. Well, impossible to the private citizenthe government
has been perhaps a little more lucky in this endeavor.
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- JT: To explain these obvious discrepancies, UFO investigators
and researchers came up with innovative ideas. "Screen memories,"
abduction investigators said, were used by the abducting aliens to conceal
their ghastly abductions. The "switching off" of important witnesses,
who, somehow never saw their loved ones abducted, was also employed by
the tricky extraterrestrial (ET) aliens to conceal their sinister space
kidnappings.
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- ST:You're being rude, dude, showing your colors here.
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- I just happen to have read an account of the effects
of one of the current "date rape" drugs. What happens to the
victim while under the influence. Very interestingthere's a term for one
of the effects, I forget the term offhand, but what happens is that the
victim may cross sensory input. Visuals may be experienced as sounds,
sounds as visuals. You may feel the color purple as a very specific sensory
experience, completely unlike our normal sensory interpretations of data.
Some of these crossovers are symbolic. In other words, in this case we
find that humans have the ability to rearrange experience in very unusual,
sometimes symbolic ways. If we have the ability to do this under the influence
of drugs, it seems likely that we can be encouraged to do this during abductions
or other kinds of experiences.
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- I'm not talking about a psychotic break here, I'm talking
about how the human perceptual faculties operate, at least at times. Experiences
that are within the range of possible human perception. Interestingly,
some of the military remote viewers describe just these sorts of experiences
sometimes (rarely) occurring while in the slightly altered RV state. Again,
this is not a psychotic break, although such transfers of sensory input
happen in those cases too, I guess, but we are talking about a fundamental
mode of operation of the human perceptual faculties.
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- So before you get on your high horse and invalidate the
unusual perceptions, or lack thereof, of abductees, perhaps you should
study human beings a little more thoroughly. You DO advocate a scientific
approach, don't you?
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- JT: As new UFO investigators joined the hunt in
trying to solve the world's most elusive mystery, they, largely, accepted
hypnosis sessions with abductees as a legitimate detective tool to seek
the truth behind abductions.
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- ST: And for good reason. Since the hypnosis-assisted
data was congruent with the nonhypnosis-assisted data, and because other
eyewitnesses could often validate the detailed information brought out
under hypnosis, as a working theory, it was valid to consider the hypnosis
data as reliable -- for investigative purposes only, not as a means to
write the final all-encompassing book on the truth about abductions (irony
intended). Again, this doesn't mean that every little detail brought out
under hypnosis is to be considered the gospel truth, and I have yet to
meet an abductee working with a halfway credible researcher to make claims
like this.
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- JT: Objective UFO investigators after many investigated
cases, however, saw that many aspects of the abduction experience were
troubling. There seemed to be considerable overlap into what in the past
had only been referred to as paranormal activity.
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- ST: Oh, here comes another one. First off, it's very
easy to group a lot of "weird stuff" under the catchall, "paranormal."
And we've been trained to immediately dismiss this category of experience.
But many subcategories of "paranormal" HAVE been proven in the
lab. Proven to such an airtight extent that even CSICOP, the professional
debunker's organization, has been unable to find any fault with the test
methodology. Telepathy, remote viewing, and to a lesser extent psycho
kinesis, have all been proven. Beyond a shadow of a doubt. But this attempt
to lump together all unexplained phenomena under one umbrella and quickly
dismiss it, this is sleight of hand, folks.
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- JT: Abductees often say they hear explosions and
unidentified, but alarming, strange sounds in their houses. They also see
small balls of light floating on their ceilings and have strange green
or blue flashes popping inside their homes.
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- ST: See what I mean? There's the implication here
that OF COURSE these experiences can't be valid. Yet these same phenomena
are experienced by nonabductees who are present at the time of the occurrences.
Believe me, PLENTY of innocent bystanders have caught some pretty strange
action while staying with me. Including those who had no idea I was an
abductee!
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- JT: While in bed, abductees sometimes find they
have terrifying nightmares where they can't seem to move.
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- ST: Oh, good move. "Nightmares," you declare
them as being. If you would bother to check the accounts of the abductees
having these paralysis experiences, you would find that the abductee is
WIDE AWAKE! This is NOT a dream, although it might be more comfortable
for some to write them off as such.
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- JT: Often they feel "something" is on top of
them trying to suffocate or hold them down.
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- ST: Oh, here comes another one: The Old Hag syndrome.
(God, these debunkers are so consistent!)
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- If you really wanted to investigate this as an explanation
for the abduction experience, you would need to do TONS more research:
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- First, do people ever experience the Old Hag phenomenon
where they aren't "held down." NONE of the abductees I know
have experienced a sensation of being held down while being paralyzed during
these abduction experiences. The paralysis just IS, seemingly without
cause, except that it only occurs when the ETs are present.
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- The best example I can give is the experience of a friend.
He realized one night that he was staring intently at his bedroom wall,
observing what looked like some kind of hieroglyphs superimposed on the
wall. It took him a moment to realize that this was an extremely strange
experience, particularly as he was completely wide awake.
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- He then became aware that there were people around him
and that he had an extremely difficult time moving - not impossible, but
it took great determination and focus of intentionthe same thing reported
by many abductees, and few if any Old Hag experiencers. He slowly reached
him arm toward the nightstand, intending to grab the loaded handgun there.
At that point, the ETs said to him, "That won't do you any good."
(As an aside, that is the story I tell when people ask why the abductees
don't just shoot the ETs. I laugh!)
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- He then found himself floating, lifted horizontally up
from his bed, with the bedclothes still draped over his body, moving upward
with him, tent-like. This is NEVER reported during the Old Hag experience
either.
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- As another aside, this isn't experienced by ANY out-of-body
experiencers either. You move THROUGH physical objects in the OBE state.
Lately there's been a lot of to-do on the Internet which attempts to explain
at least some abductions as OBEs. There is some very superficial similarity.
Yes, OBErs do experience themselves floating above their bodies in bed,
or floating skyward. But if you've ever had an OBE experience AND an abduction
experience, you CAN tell the difference. The floating is different. And
personally I tend to ZOOM OBE, not float, but perhaps that's just me.
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- The point is, an attempt to explain, or explain away,
the abduction phenomenon by finding superficial similarities to OBEs, Old
Hag, EM-induced states, or other such phenomena, I suggest that perhaps
a great deal more research is needed. If the investigator truly wishes
to illuminate anything about the phenomenon and not simply debunk it.
And, if you want to know the difference between vanilla and chocolate ice
cream, you need to ask someone who has experienced both! Concluding that
vanilla and chocolate are the same because they are sometimes experienced
in conjunction with ice cream (as these people are doing), doesn't exactly
illuminate much.
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- 'JT: Awakening, they see "shadows" or short
dark robed entities near the foot of their beds. Frequently these unknown
entities are found near the beds of their infants, toddlers or children
and seen to disappear through walls on entering and leaving. Amazingly,
the unknown entities do not cause witness to become frightened as they
watch/endure actions that should provoke great fear.
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- ST: What books have you been reading? Who have you
been talking to? I recall in Budd Hopkins' book, "Intruders,"
there are some VERY frantic mothers, trying desperately to get to their
children, to prevent the abduction from occurring to them.
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- As for the apparent otherworldliness of walking through
wallsjust because we don't have the technology or understanding of physics
to do this ourselves, doesn't mean it can't be done. We are well aware
that most "solid" matter is mostly vacuum, and therefore it's
not difficult to at least hypothesize that this is possible. And, for
those who have had OBE experiences, this is a COMMON feature of those.
What can happen OBE can perhaps happen "in the physical." If
we just understood a little bit more.
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- To argue that these things are invalid because YOU don't
happen to understand them is, quite frankly, absurd.
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- JT: Mind-control, it is thought, is induced to calm the
abductees during abductions.
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- ST: Call it mind control, or a subtle energetic manipulation,
what have you. This IS a consistent feature of the abduction experience.
As is the impact on memory. We humans are becoming very adept at means
of memory hampering, as well as alterations of human mood and capabilities
through the use of energetic fields. It is not at all beyond our theoretical
understanding to see that a more advanced technological civilization might
have even more understanding than we do. (You're not going to start quoting
the Bible and claiming that mankind is the top of the heap, are you? God,
I hope not. Would positively wreck your scientific, or shall I say, quasi-scientific
stance.)
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- JT: Most, to nearly all, of the above has happened
for centuries to people who have never entertained thoughts of a UFO-connected
experience. Earlier victims believed their houses were haunted and that
ghosts or demons were bothering them. Church officials were often brought
in to exorcise the demons. Amateur "ghost-busters" engaged to
explain the hauntings. The demons, uncharacteristically, followed many
of these same people from house-to-house, just as abductees say abductions
follow them through their lives. If it was only ghost activity, as many
in the past and even today incorrectly believe, why would the ghosts continue
to haunt in new locations? Were tracking devices or implants placed in
these helpless victims hundreds or even thousands of years ago as abductees
now believe is happening to themselves, today?
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- ST: Let's jump tracks here, and bring in some really
disjointed and unrelated issues, just to muddy the waters! I have a document,
a letter, which was analyzed by someone who has military disinformation
training. (You should see what these people do! It's diabolical!) He would
latch onto a paragraph, like the one above, and just SHRED the sucker.
The jumps in logic, the attempts to shift our attention to unrelated issues,
to lump ideas together under vague catch-all terms, particularly emotionally-loaded
terms. I can't even begin to do proper justice to this paragraph in like
fashion, not having that intelligence background, but I'll give it a quick
try.
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- "Most, to nearly all, of the above has happened
for centuries to people who have never entertained thoughts of a UFO-connected
experience." Neat. Since abduction-like experiences have been reported
for centuries, but the experiencers didn't call them ETs, we are to believe
what? Be careful the assumptions you make here, reader. Just because
the experiencers didn't call them ETs, doesn't mean they weren't the same
beings that we today call ETs. Just because they called them demons or
ghosts doesn't mean they are what we today would calls ghosts. (For those
who believe in demons, EVERYTHING seems to be demonic, which kind of invalidates
the term, so let's just toss that one out.)
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- Again, you would do well to ask someone who has experienced
both ghosts and ETs (like me, for example), to describe the differences.
I will tell you that there is a very distinct difference between a ghost
and an ET. They feel completely different. The ghosts feel human, act
human, look human. The ETs feel, frankly, like something not of this world.
They don't behave very human-like, either. Eerily not of this world.
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- JT: "The demons, uncharacteristically, followed
many of these same people from house-to-house, just as abductees say abductions
follow them through their lives. If it was only ghost activity, as many
in the past and even today incorrectly believe, why would the ghosts continue
to haunt in new locations? Were tracking devices or implants placed in
these helpless victims hundreds or even thousands of years ago as abductees
now believe is happening to themselves, today?
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- ST: From what I've read, heard from experiencers, seen
in TV interviews and the like, ghosts, ETs, and PK phenomena, for example,
ALL may "follow" the experiencer. This is most likely because
the experiencer is the focus of attention. We don't know why this is.
We don't know why certain people are selected as abductees and why others
aren't. We just don't know.
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- That said, watch the sneaky attaching of the idea of
implants to this idea of ghosts "following" experiencers. While
some people believe that at least some of the implants are tracking devices,
there is absolutely NO EVIDENCE that this is the case. I personally don't
believe that this is the purpose of these devices. There are many different
types of implants and probably as many different functions of them. But
Thompson is trying to get you to invalidate the idea of implants -- and
of course no one wants to believe that there is such solid evidence left
behind! So the idea of implants is very easily brushed aside - and therefore
to dismiss the validity of the ETs and/or ghosts. Since most nonFundamentalists
don't believe in demons, the tossing-in of this term only encourages us
all the more in throwing out the entire phenomena, along with all the attachments.
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- But in answer to the supposed question raised at the
end of this few lines, we don't know if early experiencers had implants.
Perhaps one day we will. Right now, we can't speak knowledgeably on the
subject. All we know is that some humans who are also abductees, who report
that ETs placed the implants in them, do in fact have implants.
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- JT: To understand the riddle, it has to be accepted,
as the preponderance of evidence suggests, that UFO sightings and abductions
are two distinct and separate phenomenons.
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- ST: ASSUMPTION ALERT! Since we don't understand either
the UFO or the abduction phenomenon, we can't say whether they are distinctly
separate or inseparable! We can say that some abductions involve UFOs,
that has been amply demonstrated, with good witnesses, but we don't understand
the relationship. Don't let Thompson lead you astray with assumptions
on this matter. As he does in the next few sentences
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- JT: It cannot be positively said that no one has never
been physically abducted but it has definitely been an enormous mistake
to downplay the similarities between bedroom abductions and demonic activity.
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- ST: Geez, let's see, how many negatives are in that
sentence? Actually this IS a technique of the professional disinformation
artist. What I've been taught, is watch for apparent mistakes in grammar,
punctuation, and syntax. To the conscious mind these aren't all that important,
but they flag the attention of the subconscious and the information contained
in and around those areas of a sentence or paragraph are fed more directly
into the subconscious mind than would otherwise be the case. (Told you
these disinformation people are devious! Although I'm not saying that
Thompson is of that type, just that some of his sentences seem to work
well in that fashion.)
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- I count two negatives, which should equal one positive.
I give up. If I retranslate as, "Thompson says that it's possible
that someone has been abducted, but we shouldn't ignore the similarities
between ghosts/demons and bedroom abductions." This sentence makes
no sense. I vote we just throw it out. Let's see where this twisted logic
and syntax takes us...
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- JT: Indeed with the exception of a handful of abduction
accounts--the Travis Walton account of Snowflake, Arizona being the most
noteworthy--that appear to have supporting witnesses, who actually said
they saw a kidnapping of a person into an unknown space ship, the testimony
of abductees, regardless of how it was acquired, should have never been
accepted at face value.
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- ST: Not so fast, partner. You've slid over quite a
bit of abduction research history here. (And, pretty nifty how you attached
the questionable "testimony" -- read: lies -- of abductees, with
the idea of non-eyewitnessed events. Just because an event has no eyewitness
doesn't mean it DIDN'T happen. It just means it might not have happened
quite as reported.
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- First, the obvious. If ANY accounts have reliable eyewitnesses
that can connect the UFOs with abductions, then it becomes a valid hypothesis
that UFOs and abductions are related, at least sometimes. To throw out
ALL abductions that don't have eyewitnesses, doesn't make logical sense,
given the high degree of corrollation between independent witnesses/experiencers
from all over the globe.
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- Particularly because we have eyewitnesses that can connect
other aspects of the experience -- cars stalling, physical trace evidence,
the physical absence of the abductee, and so on -- with the abduction phenomenon,
then these other aspects DO BECOME part of the abduction landscape. The
abductees say so, the witnesses say so, and the physical evidence says
so. If sometimes they all say so simultaneously, then a relationship has
been proven, at least in some instances.
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- While you can't venture that NO mistake was made in the
reporting of a particular case, to say that mistakes were made in ALL cases,
is illogical. Again, too much lumping together of cases into arbitrary
categories.
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- And look at the net effect of this little progression
you've been led through. What it means to throw out all abductee testimony
"at face value" (whatever that really means), is to ignore the
consistent testimony of hundreds of thousands of people who don't know
each other, live in very different cultures, and so on.
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- "At face value," taken literally simply means
that some aspects of the report may be inaccurate. No kidding. But what
you are really being asked to believe is that they should be thrown out
altogether.
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- JT: If true objectivity had been observed by abduction
investigators this blurring of UFO and paranormal accounts would have never
taken place.
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- ST: Wrong. The "paranormal" aspects of abductions
are part of the experience. That has been consistently reported, even
in cases where there are multiple witnesses, physical evidence, a missing
abductee - the whole ball of wax. Just because you don't happen to like
it, doesn't mean it's not so.
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- And nothing you've said in this document has directly
refuted ANY of the paranormal-like aspects of the abduction experience.
You've played tricks with logic and slopped your way all over the abduction
map, without contributing ANYTHING to the discussion. And you've got the
balls to call this "The Truth." You've GOT to be kidding.
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- JT: It is this veteran field investigator's belief
that 99.9 percent of all entity sightings do not involve UFOs or extraterrestrials.
What most so-called "abductees" are really experiencing are innerterrestrials
INTs).
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- ST: Cute. Let's play more games with terminology.
We don't know where they come from. We don't know if they are from other
dimensions, inner Earth, inner Earth in another dimension, other planets,
other planets residing in other dimensions -- the possibilities are truly
endless, particularly because the possibilities by definition include many
options we do not even conceive of.
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- Perhaps "Innerterrestrials" use craft! Perhaps
a lot of things. You haven't given any evidence of anything here. The
issue of "where do they come from" isn't even addressed in this
document, but you sneak it in here at the end, like your logic has led
us to some kind of impeccable conclusion.
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- JT: Make no mistake they are an alien species--but not
one of the flesh.
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- ST: Do tell! Got any evidence of this? Gee, and I
thought you were scientific!
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- JT: These dimensional creatures can move easily through
walls and, yet, not violate man's known physics.
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- ST: Unless you've talking very advanced theoretical
physics, it does violate man's known physics, certainly on a practical
level, since we can't duplicate this effect!
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- JT: They are spiritually abducting so many victims seemingly
everywhere.
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- ST: Oh, **spiritually abducting**. New terminology.
What does that mean? You don't define it, nada.
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- JT: They do not need space ships or space suits to interface
with us.
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- ST: Ah, more insider information. How do you know this?
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- JT: They do not need to do insane breeding experiments
as so many abductees believe is happening.
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- ST: Ah, another cute term, "Insane breeding experiments."
Unless you understand why so many abductees report on these experiments
(besides the obvious conclusion that they ARE doing breeding experiments),
and unless you understand the ETs purposes and intentions, in great depth,
I suggest that you have no reason to call either the abductees or the ET's
experiments "insane."
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- JT: All can be explained as mind games that nevertheless
are of a sinister nature.
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- ST: Ah, more insider scoop, I guess. Do tell. How
do you know they are "sinister." Because Jacobs said so? Because
some government disinformation agent said so (put "Dulce" in
any available search engine)?
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- JT: They are, as abduction researcher Dr. David Jacobs
correctly proposes, a "threat," but not an extraterrestrial one,
as he believes. An ET threat would require a huge logistical undertaking,
involving thousands of space ships if there are a million abductees or
more as a Roper poll in the early 1990s suggested. The proof that we have
two distinct phenomenons can be found in what is not alike between genuine
UFO sightings and entity/abduction experiences.
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- ST: Ah, more clumping together. You haven't demonstrated
anything in this document. And this paragraph is full of assumptions.
For example, the idea that a huge undertaking like this would require
thousands of spaceships. Maybe so, maybe not. I remember a friend, who
knew me and one other abductee very well, asking if I'd ever seen very
large numbers of abductees on a ship at once. Her reason for asking, she
said, was because our mutual friend had once seen something like 500 abductees
in a very large room on a craft. I responded that I'd been on a ship once
with what I estimated as at least 200-300 women, all involved in the hybrid
project, from what I could observe of the activity around me.
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- Assuming these kinds of numbers are involved on a continuous
basis, it's not hard to imagine that hundreds of thousands of people, at
least, could be handled. Particularly when you consider that there are
numerous accounts of the ET's ability to manipulate time. All of this
activity isn't necessarily taking place from a single now, it may be taking
place, behind the scenes, from multiple "nows." That number
of origin points, origin ships, origin dimensions, what have you - that's
a lot of ships/crew/abductees.
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- WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON!!! And we certainly don't
know all the "how's" of it. To pretend otherwise is just science
fiction.
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- JT: Over the last half century UFO sightings have
come largely in great "waves" and, sometimes, in localized "flaps."
The great documented UFO waves since World War II have occurred in 1947,
1952, 1965-66, 1973, a smaller and less defined wave during 1987-1988,
and finally, the greatest wave, 1993-1997. If you look between these great
waves, at least in the United States, you will a find a few localized flaps--Gulf
Breeze Florida, Pine Bush New York, Fyffe Alabama, and most recently, around
LaGrange, Georgia. Markedly, sighting reports show that there is a huge
falloff of UFO activity between waves. Abduction experiences, however,
do not ride or crest with these same waves. They have been everywhere and
seemingly forever since the abduction of the Hills.
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- ST: More faulty logic. Since it's apparent that not
all abductions involving what the abductee reports as space craft have
visible space craft hovering overhead (at least there are no witnesses
to verify that there were such craft), and assuming that these abductees
are accurately reporting the involvement of craft, at least in some cases,
which is reasonable since some cases of this have been verified, then it's
reasonable to assume that sometimes the crafts are visible and sometimes
they aren't - for reasons we don't understand. Therefore, the flat-line
occurrences of abductions vs the more radical fluctuations of "UFO
sightings" are not necessarily relevant. And until we know exactly
what's going on, we can't accurately comment on this.
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- JT: So have the sightings of witches, ghosts, and "haints,
as rural Southerners commonly call INTs, continued uninterrupted. Worldwide,
paranormal activity has occurred throughout history, with many saying that
today's demonic infiltration is at unprecedented levels.
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- ST: Oh, good, let's sneak in terms like "demonic
infiltration." Spices up your piece.
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- JT: (A year ago a Vatican guard went berserk and killed
a fellow Papal guard. In a just released (Feb. 1999) Vatican report on
the incident it was learned that the first thing the Pope's commission
investigated was to see if the guard had been possessed by demons.)
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- ST: Duh. Just because they investigated demonic possession,
doesn't prove the existence of demons nor the possession of the guard.
It's just PR talk. Those of us less Fundamentalist or Catholic in persuasion
might suggest that there might be a link between events such as this, and
the events at Columbine and other acts of violence. But that's another
story in which the term "possession" doesn't once appear. ;-)
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- JT: True UFOs do not occur often in urban areas,
despite the vast majority of UFO and abduction investigators living in
large cities.
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- ST: What is this? First, MANY UFOs are sighted in major
cities. And MANY MANY abductions take place there. Talk to Budd Hopkins.
Talk to Whitley Strieber. MANY of mine took place right in the heart of
Manhattan. But all of this begs the question, what difference does it
make where the RESEARCHERS live? What possible consequence can this have?
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- JT: Instead, most authentic UFO sightings take place
in rural locales.
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- ST: Oh, more insider scoop. Got any evidence of this?
Are people in the rural areas more prone to accurate reporting? Are city
dwellers' accounts automatically thrown out for some reason. That's what
you're implying, particularly your nonchalant use of the term, "authentic."
How insulting to New Yorkers. Oh, that's right, you're from The South.
What's up with this assumption?
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- JT: There is a good reason for this: If UFOs are extraterrestrial
space-craft, as many suspect, it can be speculated that, at least during
a portion of their activities on earth, they can be seen and located by
humans.
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- ST: Wrong assumption. Since there are accounts of crafts
that are there, but not seen, it's illogical to assume that all crafts
can be seen AT ALL. This is actually funny and reminds me of a comment
by Whitley Strieber. He told a story once of someone asking him if he'd
ever seen a spacecraft. His comment was, "Only from the inside."
Funny enough, but what's even funnier is that many abductees share this
same sort of ironic experience.
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- JT: Nearly all of the best close-encounter sightings
come from isolated spots where there are seldom other witnesses around.
Most UFO sightings also occur late at night and, interestingly, during
the period of Sunday through Thursday; the exact times that most people
are not outside! Secrecy is essential for these physical craft as they
can be seen and possibly touched if detected. Not so with what abductees
commonly call the grays, which are really innerterrestrials. Like hauntings,
abductions seemingly occur as often in rural as urban areas and at random
times which suggests secrecy is not paramount.
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- ST: More assumptions. Actually secrecy may be important
to the Greys, too. I talked to an abductee once who had always had her
experiences in a rather dream-like state, she thought, and they did usually
occur at night. She asked the Greys if they would come while she was wide-awake,
preferably during the day. They responded by saying that they could do
that, but that she would be hassled if they did. They showed her an insignia,
which at the time was unfamiliar to her. The next day, though, she showed
a sketch of the insignia to her husband, who was a State Trooper, and he
identified the insignia, perhaps incorrectly, who knows?, as NSA.
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- JT: Innerterrestrial--haints, shadows, witches, demons,
grays, fairies, gnomes, goblins, ghosts, reptiles, or whatever you want
to call them--have no need to exercise such great care.
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- ST: How do you know?
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