- Antony Sutton, is the author of 26 books, many of which
can be purchased on-line at Amazon or Barnes & Noble. Liberty House
Press at 1-800-343-6180 has copies of America's Secret Establishment and
Best Enemy Money Can Buy for sale.
- The following interview with Mr. Sutton is dated July
- Antony C. Sutton, 74, has been persecuted but
never prosecuted for his research and subsequent publishing of his findings.
His mainstream career was shattered by his devotion towards uncovering
the truth. In 1968, his Western Technology and Soviet Economic Development
was published by The Hoover Institute at Stanford University. Sutton showed
how the Soviet state's technological and manufacturing base, which was
then engaged in supplying the North Vietnamese the armaments and supplies
to kill and wound American soldiers, was built by US firms and mostly paid
for by the US taxpayers. From their largest steel and iron plant, to automobile
manufacturing equipment, to precision ball-bearings and computers, basically
the majority of the Soviet's large industrial enterprises had been built
with the United States help or technical assistance.
- Professor Richard Pipes, of Harvard, said in
his book, Survival Is Not Enough: Soviet Realities and America's Future
(Simon & Schuster;1984): "In his three-volume detailed account
of Soviet Purchases of Western Equipment and Technology . . . [Antony]
Sutton comes to conclusions that are uncomfortable for many businessmen
and economists. For this reason his work tends to be either dismissed out
of hand as 'extreme' or, more often, simply ignored."
- The report was too much and Sutton's career as
a well-paid member of the academic establishment was under attack and he
was told that he "would not survive".
- His work led him to more questions than answers.
"Why had the US built-up it's enemy? Why did the US build-up the Soviet
Union, while we also transferred technology to Hitler's Germany? Why does
Washington want to conceal these facts?"
- Sutton, following his leads, proceeded to research
and write his three outstanding books on Wall Street: and FDR; and the
Rise of Hitler; and The Bolshevik Revolution. Then, someone sent Antony
a membership list of Skull and Bones and--"a picture jumped out".
And what a picture! A multigenerational foreign-based secret society with
fingers in all kinds of pies and roots going back to 'Illuminati' influences
in 1830's Germany.
- For the full story, check-out Sutton's book America's
Secret Establishment, in print for 14 years and available from Liberty
House Press, 1-800-343-6180.
- Skull And Bones
- Here, in a recent e-mail interview, are Antony Sutton's
own reflections and answers to questions from myself and other researchers.
- Pre-interview note from Antony Sutton: Remember all
my papers on this are in deep storage 1000 miles away and cannot be accessed
and I've not even thought about S&B for 15 years. I had no idea that
any interest had been aroused out there. I know the book is a steady seller
from the royalty reports; but that is all. For the last 10 years I have
been in complete seclusion working on future technology...I'm more engineer
than historian. The only visitors I've had or meetings have been with three-letter
agency people, who arrive on the doorstep unannounced and complain I am
hard to find. Big Brother has the ability apparently to find anyone. Nothing
mysterious about this, I just dislike publicity and social interaction.
. . . You will see from the Dutch TV episode that my work still upsets
the "powers that be" so these are merely reasonable precautions.
- KM - Can you tell the story of how you learned of Skull
& Bones? And how you felt?
- AS - I knew nothing of S&B until I received a letter
in the early 80's asking if I would like to look at a genuine membership
list. For no real reason I said yes. It was agreed to send the package
by Federal Express and I could keep it for 24 hours, it had to be returned
to the safe. It was a "black bag" job by a family member disgusted
with their activities. For the benefit of any S&B members who may read
and doubt the statement; the membership list is in two volumes, black leather
bound. Living members and deceased members in separate volumes. Very handsome
books. I spent all night in Kinko's, Santa Cruz , copied the entire volumes
and returned within the 24 hour period. I have never released any copies
or identified the source. I figured each copy could be coded and enable
S&B to trace the leak. How did I feel? I felt then (as I do now} that
these "prominent" men are really immature juveniles at heart.
The horrible reality is that these little boys have been dominant in their
influence in world affairs. No wonder we have wars and violence. Skull
and Bones is the symbol of terrorist violence, pirates, the SS Deaths Head
Division in WW Two, labels on poison bottles and so on. I kept the stack
of xerox sheets for quite a while before I looked at them--when I did look--a
picture jumped out, THIS was a significant part of the so called establishment.
No wonder the world has problems!
- KM - What is the percentage of active members?
- AS - I haven't checked for 15 years...it used to be about
one quarter. With the rise of the Bush dynasty it will increase somewhat,
as they climb on the bankwagon. The Demos had their turn with Harriman
in the 40's and 50's.
- KM - How many active members are there?
- AS - Usually about 600 alive at any one time . . . recently
- KM- What is your take on the grandfather clock that each
member allegedly receives?
- AS - They do get a clock I've had that confirmed and
you will see it in the photos in ASE (AMERICA'S SECRET ESTABLISHMENT).
Might be symbolic, perhaps to state their organization goes on timelessly.
- KM - Has Skull and Bones lost its clout?
- AS - Well look at the recent fundraiser for George Bush...Republicans
are stuffing money into his pockets...I suggest members recently got behind
one of their own and decided to push George all out for president--and
Democrats can't do a thing because Democrat Bones are not going to allow
the Party to use the ultimate weapon--George's membership in a foreign
- KM - What do you know of George ' W.' Bush?
- AS - He is a third generation Bonesman. My personal impression
is that he doesn't have the drive of his father or the skills of his grandfather....--but
I could be very wrong. He can beat anyone hands down--EXCEPT VENTURA.
If Bush handlers allow a face to face debate between Bush and Ventura,
Ventura will win. Remember Ventura has admitted to his so-called "sins".
Bush has a closet full waiting to emerge. People are getting bored with
cover ups and spin. 2000 may see the end of the Bones influence or--reality
that these Bones people are powerful.
- KM - Is the 'name' of the German group known?
- AS - Almost certainly Illuminati.
- KM - Some people say that there are other 'cells'; what
do you think?
- AS - There are many other secret societies. I've only
looked at S&B. Unfortunately no historian will keep his job if he tries
to explore conspiracy...this is taboo for the American Historical Association.
Sooner or later outsiders will take a look. I've long thought that S&B
fits the legal definition of a conspiracy and needs to be officially investigated.
Yes there should be other cells. No secret society worth anything is going
to keep its inner actions written down on paper. If the gigantic electronic
monitoring apparatus is for national security purposes; then it should
be monitoring these people 24 hours a day.
- KM - What are your thoughts on Wolf's Head? Scroll &
Key? And the other Senior societies at Yale?
- AS - Wolfs Head, Scroll and Key seem to be pale imitations
of S&B, but they have the same objective of deliberately building discrimination
into a society. I listened to Jesse Ventura last night and he made the
point that the Founding Fathers intended for CITIZENS to represent the
people. I agree, a trucker, a farmer, a teacher--represents the people
not a bunch of professional pols or a secret society like S&B. All
these societies place their own members ahead of the pack and give preference
to their own members--this is discrimination par excellence.
- KM - Have you read Cathy O'Brian's book Trance-Formation
Of America? What do think of it?
- AS - The book does not contain one piece of hard physical
evidence.. I think Cathy O'Brien BELIEVES SHE IS TELLING THE TRUTH . .
. but remember that Mark Phillips is a skilled neuro-linguistic-programmer.
Another point that really concerns me is this...where did this story originate?
It originated in Communist Chinese Intelligence and Mark Phillips had a
contractual relationship with the ChiComs. This could be an attempt to
destabilize the US. No doubt these Washington pols are fully capable of
these weird practices, just look at Bohemian Grove but that doesn't mean
that the book is an accurate portrayal. If the book is credible I would
think the police would have raided Bohemian Grove long ago.
- My best guess is that the Chinese picked up whispers
of Washington scandals and blew them out of proportion for their own purposes.
This is a GUESS...I don't know. One thing that puzzled me, with all these
sexual shenanigans how do Washington politicians find time to do anything
else? According to the book this is a full time occupation for Senator
Byrd and others.
- KM - What did your study of elites, economics, secrecy
and technology do for your career?
- AS-Depends what you mean by "career"? By conventional
standards I am an abject failure. I've been thrown out of two major Universities
(UCLA and Stanford), denied tenure at Cal State Los Angeles. Every time
I write something, it appears to offend someone in the Establishment and
they throw me to the wolves. On the other hand I've written 26 books,
published a couple of newsletters and so on...even more important I've
never compromised on the truth And I don't quit. In material terms...hopeless
failure. In terms of discovery...I think I've been successful. Judge a
man by his enemies. William Buckley called me a "jerk". Glenn
Campbell, former Director of the Hoover Institution, Stanford called me
- KM - Do you believe that there has been suppression of
technology? Has it been major or minor?
- AS - Yes there has been suppression but its going to
be impossible to suppress the new emerging paradigm.
- KM - The Federal Reserve, the House of Morgan, House
of Rothschild and Skull and Bones are they related?
- AS - Best source for this is a book by me THE FEDERAL
RESERVE CONSPIRACY, 1995 CPA, PO Box 596, Boring OR 97007.
- KM- On Skull and Bone's influencing John Dewey and Horace
Mann; are there good source materials to follow that story?
- AS - Depends what you want to find. You could explore
the 10(?) volume works of Dewey... outrageous Hegelianism, the state is
supreme, the individual merely a pawn to be trained. This is the basis
of our 'educational system"...or you could go and explore the members
of S&B who brought the system to the US. This trained "sausage
mind" outlook has thoroughly permeated our universities--that's why
we have the peer review system...we are all supposed to think alike and
find the same answers. This political correctness garbage is another step
to total thought control.
- AH - Did any of Hitler's economic policies threaten the
interests of the international bankers, and if so did that play a role
in his downfall?
- AS - Hitler's economic policies were OK'd by the bankers
right through the war...ITT, Chase, Texaco and others were operating in
Nazi-held France as late as 1945. In fact Chase in Paris was trying to
get Nazi accounts as late as 1944. When we got to Germany in May 1945,
I remember seeing a (bombed-out) Woolworth store in Hamburg and thinking,
"What's Woolworth doing in Nazi Germany?" While we were bombed
and shelled it was "business as usual" for Big Business. Try
the Alien Custodian Papers. See my BEST ENEMY MONEY CAN BUY for more information.
Union Banking is very important. I made a documentary for Dutch National
TV some years ago. It got all the way through the production process to
the Dutch TV Guide...at the last minute it was pulled and another film
substituted. This documentary has proof of Bush financing Hitler-- documents.
Maybe my Dutch friends will still get it viewed, but the apparatus reaches
- KM - What is the story that was going to be told on Dutch
TV? And what is the story of it's censorship?
- AS - Couple of years back, a Dutch TV production company
from Amsterdam--under contract to Dutch National TV--came to US to make
documentary on S&B. They went to the Bones Temple and other places
and interviewed people on East Coast. On West Coast, they interviewed myself
and one other person. I saw extracts from the original and it is a good
professional job. They had documents linking Bush family and other S&B
members to financing Hitler through Union Banking of New York and its Dutch
correspondent bank. More than I have in WALL STREET AND THE RISE OF HITLER.
The first version was later upgraded into a two part documentary and scheduled
for showing this last March. It was pulled at last minute and has never
- AH - Who has been financing Milosevic, and what role
has the international banking community played in the Balkans?
- AS - I haven't looked at this one. Of course the notorious
Black Hand society is located in the Balkans. See WW One.
- DG - What is the importance of your work on Skull and
- AS - The potential is extraordinary. IF we find that
secret societies are indeed significant the entire history of the last
two centuries will have to be re-written. At this point in 1999, the potential
has not been explored by others and I've moved back to my original interest--technology.
Apparently people see some merit in the work. It is never advertised. It
is an underground word of mouth distribution but has sold steadily from
1986 to date. Every month I get a royalty check, so I know it is selling.
But my original enthusiastic statement has not been fulfilled.
- KM - What do you see for the future?
- AS - Chaos, confusion and ultimately a battle between
the individual and the State. The individual is the stronger; and will
win. The state is a fiction sanctified by Hegel and his followers to CONTROL
the individual. Sooner or later people will wake up. First we have to
dump the trap of right and left, this is a Hegelian trap to divide and
control. The battle is not between right and left; it is between us and
them. The message is getting through. ASE has sold for 15 years, small
but steady. No advertising. Its an underground work. But the breadth of
interest is amazing. From Black Africa, to Russia (12,000 copies), right,
left...it cuts across all ethnic, political, social lines...The spirit
of God is within us as individuals. Skull & Bones represents death.
It has no life spirit and pretends that the State "is the march of
God on earth". The thinking of immature juveniles, deadly and destructive
and has almost totally infected Washington. What to do? Find yourself
and then go to work.....tell your friends and put out the message. The
answer is within you. _____ Antony Sutton, is the author of 26 books,
many of which can be purchased on-line at Amazon or Barnes & Noble.
Liberty House Press at 1-800-343-6180 has copies of America's Secret Establishment
and Best Enemy Money Can Buy for sale. New York Editors . . . In talking
to a magazine in New York that is working on a feature story on George
' W ' Bush and was thinking of doing a piece on S&B. I asked how about
a sidebar on Antony Sutton? After getting responses peppered with phrases
such as; "Someone is claiming he's a John Bircher" and; Here
is what one editor (who shall remain nameless) had to say about Sutton:
- "Liberty House was/is a right wing publishing company
located in Billings, Montana. Anthony Sutton was a research fellow at
Stanford's Hoover Institution. Among many other claims, Sutton's book
accuses Skull and Bones of funding and encouraging "the Maxist/Leftist
'60s revolution"....and diverting attention by drawing students into
disarmament and/or environmental groups and issues. Although there seems
to be some real info in his book, it reads like a classic text of right-wing
propaganda, filled with hyperbole and unsourced allegations" Antony
- What's wrong with these editors? I was thrown out of
the Hoover Institution by the CIA types....I am definitely persona non-grata.
Director Glenn Campbell actually threatened me: "you will not survive."
- Some right winger!! I've never been a member of the
Birch Society or any society come to that. I'd like to have that Editor
say that to my face. They're sick! Get his comments on the above...and
have him come up with some proof. What's the legal definition of slander...it
has to be untrue and malicious. Do they have any money? When it comes
right down to it the NY people didn't even read my book...else they would
know that I see the right-left approach as a Hegelian trap...as for lack
of evidence Ill leave that to the readers. On second thought they probably
never heard of Hegel. When Lenin referred to 'useful idiots" he must
have had these people in mind.
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