Norio Hayakawa, a resident
of Rio Rancho, New Mexico, has been engaged in the study of UFOs for
more than fifty years. An expert on Nevada’s Area 51 and the alleged
underground base near Dulce, New Mexico, he was responsible for organising
‘The Dulce Base: Fact or Fiction?’ conference the first event of its
kind ever held which took place in the town of Dulce in March 2009.
During his many years as a UFO lecturer, activist, and researcher, he’s
brushed shoulders with such well-known figures as the late William ‘Bill’
Cooper, Bob Lazar and the late Gabe Valdez.
Much of Hayakawa’s research focuses on the technological-militaristic
and socio-political aspects of the UFO phenomenon an area overlooked
by most other UFO researchers. A unique and discerning voice in the
field of UFOlogy, he suggests there’s been an effort on the part of
the authorities, for reasons both disturbing and far-reaching, to manipulate
the public’s beliefs concerning UFOs and aliens. Like Dr. Jacques Vallée
and others, he isn’t afraid to point out the shortcomings of the extraterrestrial
hypothesis (ETH), while at the same time maintaining an open-mind. Hayakawa
kindly agreed to discuss his work with New Dawn magazine.
LOUIS PROUD (LP): Can you please describe your background and how you
came to develop an interest in the UFO phenomenon?
NORIO HAYAKAWA (NH): I started getting really involved with UFO research
around 1961, when I was a sophomore in high school. However, when I
was in elementary school beginning in the early 1950s I had already
known about ‘flying saucers’ because I used to listen to my father tell
me of his sighting of a strangely manoeuvring green ‘ball’ of fire,
which took place when he was fishing one summer night in 1947, in the
Bay of Yokohama, Japan. My father was quite familiar with shooting stars
and other astronomical phenomena, because he had spent years night fishing
and was so used to looking at night skies. But that particular summer
night in 1947 was definitely unforgettable to him, he used to tell our
family at our dining table as he enthusiastically described his sighting
to us.
From 1961, I started getting involved and began to subscribe to newsletters
of NICAP [National Investigations Committee On Aerial Phenomena] and
APRO [Aerial Phenomena Research Organization] and other groups in the
US, even though I was living in Japan. I also began to attend meetings
of UFO investigation groups in the Yokohama and Tokyo areas. In 1964,
when I was attending college in Tokyo, I became fascinated by a newspaper
article about a strange encounter involving a highway patrol officer
named Lonnie Zamora who claimed to have witnessed a flying saucer sitting
on the desert, just outside of a sleepy little town in New Mexico, US,
by the name of Socorro. Of course, that was the famous Socorro incident
of 1964. The sighting really convinced me that I have to get to the
bottom of this strange phenomenon.
LP: You say the authorities have exploited and benefited from the UFO
phenomenon, by using it as a smokescreen for various top secret militaristic
projects.
NH: Many defence contractors in the US periodically create ‘cover’ stories
in order to detract attention away from covert military projects by
some curious segment of the population. These ‘cover’ stories sometimes
involve false UFO sighting reports. Such reports are frequently used
when contractors come up with new military weapons systems or new military
aircraft and so on for example, new generations of remotely-controlled
platforms for various programs. Creating the so-called ‘laughter curtain’
(i.e., bringing up the subject of UFOs or aliens) is one way to curtail
serious scrutiny of certain military bases or programs. A very good
example is how Area 51, a very important military research, development
and testing location, has become associated with rumours of UFOs or
aliens. This may well have been concocted by the Air Force itself, for
example.
LP: You seem to disagree with the mainstream scientific notion that
we have all the answers concerning UFO activity on Earth or in other
words there is no UFO “cover up.” In fact, you’ve stated the authorities
are just as baffled by the UFO phenomenon as the general population.
Moreover, you suggest the authorities have tried (and are still trying)
to promote among the public certain beliefs concerning UFOs namely,
that UFOs are extraterrestrial spacecraft piloted by physical entities
as part of a sinister and elaborate psychological manipulation program.
NH: I am of the opinion that the government, or ‘authorities’, are just
as perplexed about the nature of the UFO phenomenon as the public. The
only reason they have not disclosed anything conclusive despite many
years of research and collection of vital sighting report files is because
they are unable to explain it to the public, having long known that
the phenomenon cannot be sufficiently explained simply through contemporary,
empirical science. The government has never been in the business of
explaining anything that is outside of empirical scientific explanations.
The UFO phenomenon seems to go beyond just being a physical phenomenon.
LP: What is your perspective on Operation Paperclip?
NH: We cannot underestimate the importance of Operation Paperclip in
the aftermath of WWII. Operation Paperclip was a US sanctioned program
through which hundreds of former Nazi German scientists and engineers
(and even former SS intelligence officers) were brought to the US in
order for the US to acquire some of the interesting military technologies
that the Germans already had in the late 1930s and early 1940s, such
as advanced rocket science and development of prototypes of flying wing
aircraft some of which were even equipped with ramjet engines and
attained speeds of up to 500 or 600 miles per hour. New Mexico was one
of the primary locations for these scientists because New Mexico already
had important laboratories such as Los Alamos, and also important rocket
testing ranges such as White Sands. Even today, White Sands Missile
Range is the location of the most advanced testing of directed energy
weapons systems, with the use of lasers and microwaves.
LP: What is Project Blue Beam and how does it tie into your research
and the notion of a coming global crisis?
NH: Project Blue Beam is an alleged secret and futuristic NASA program
in which advanced technologies (such as the use of airborne holographic
projection devices and manipulation of various frequency waves) could
be utilised to create fake visual/audio simulations to convince the
public (or the enemy) that they are witnessing a real event whatever
that scenario may be.
The late Canadian investigative journalist Serge Monast (left), with
whom I corresponded in 1993 and 1994, was the first to come up with
the allegation that NASA will develop this technology in the near future.
HAARP, which began to be talked about in the early 1990s, was basically
another version of Project Blue Beam, utilising some of the Tesla technologies.
According to some researchers, programs such as HAARP and the Blue Beam
Project could be utilised in the future to generate panic (such as by
creating a fake ‘extraterrestrial invasion’ scenario) so that the frightened
and deceived public would clamour for some type of global authority
and unity to fend off such ‘threats’.
LP: Could you please elaborate on the notion of a “fake ‘extraterrestrial
invasion’ scenario,” using Project Blue Beam and HAARP technologies,
as a way to enforce a totalitarian one-world government, or ‘New World
Order’?
NH: If there really exists a global cabal whose long-term plan is to
enforce a global government, the most logical way to carry out this
plan would be to create an absolutely convincing need for such an authority.
The ultimate means to achieve such a plan would be to artificially generate
worldwide panic by staging a fake ‘extraterrestrial threat’ through
the use of such technologies as HAARP and the alleged Project Blue Beam.
An unprecedented series of global crises such as natural catastrophes
or conflagrations (both of which could also be created) would be the
final condition under which such schemes would be realised.
LP: During a recent interview on Truth Connections Radio you made a
comment to the effect that there would no UFO history were it not for
the US state of New Mexico.
NH: The importance of New Mexico can be seen from the fact that the
atomic bomb was first tested in this state. New Mexico is the location
of Los Alamos National Laboratory, probably the world’s largest conglomerate
military/scientific research community. Los Alamos, by the way, has
the world’s most advanced DNA, human genome, and genetics facilities
in the world. Albuquerque, New Mexico is the headquarters of Sandia
National Laboratories, which, located inside Kirtland Air Force Base,
is probably the world’s largest military research, development and testing
conglomerate.
New Mexico is such a huge state in size (the fifth largest in the Union),
yet is scarcely populated in proportion to its huge area. Even today,
the total population of New Mexico is about two million. It has enough
space to conduct any kind of covert military research, development and
testing programs. By the way, there are more scientists per population
in New Mexico than in any other state. Yet the irony is that the level
of public education in New Mexico ranks about 48th in the nation.
As I stated earlier, the White Sands Missile Range is today the location
of the world’s most advanced directed energy weapons testing programs,
involving lasers and microwaves. If aliens really exist, then this,
for obvious reasons, would definitely be the primary place of interest
to them. In fact, many people seem to believe that an extraterrestrial
spacecraft has already crashed in New Mexico (the famous Roswell UFO
incident of 1947).
LP: There is said to be a clandestine (and possibly extraterrestrial)
underground facility near the town of Dulce, New Mexico a topic on
which you’ve conducted an extensive amount of research. What are some
of the discoveries you’ve made concerning Dulce?
NH: Although I have been involved with investigations into the claims
of an alleged underground joint US-alien base in Dulce (alleged
biological laboratory) for many years, I have yet to see any solid,
tangible, physical, irrefutable documentary evidence whatsoever of its
existence. Yet, I can also say there seems to be lots of circumstantial
evidence that there is ‘something’ there. What that ‘something’ is,
I still do not know.
LP: What is your take on the cattle mutilation mystery?
NH: The cattle mutilation mystery, to my knowledge, began to be reported
primarily in the mid-1970s in the Dulce, New Mexico and southern Colorado
areas. It is my conjecture that it may have had something to do with
the government’s monitoring of radiation levels of certain cows in the
northern New Mexico region, especially in the aftermath of alleged radiation
leaks that began to affect animals and even humans in the Dulce vicinity,
after the US exploded an atomic device deep underground, about 22 miles
southwest of Dulce in 1967. This experiment, codenamed Project Gasbuggy,
was realised by the US Atomic Energy Commission, ostensibly to help
ease the flow of natural gas trapped deep beneath hard rocks in the
Dulce region. The high rate of cancer in the Dulce area as well as widespread
fertility problems among young women in the area is quite noticeable,
even today. Plus, there is a possibility the government may have used
the Dulce area as a dumping ground for toxic waste materials, besides
possibly conducting some form of bio-warfare research involving substances
such as anthrax.
The cattle mutilation incidents may also have been a series of staged
events by the government to cause local people and the public to believe
that Dulce is somehow associated with alien visitation. The late Gabe
Valdez, a former New Mexico state patrol officer in charge of the entire
Dulce region for many years, also seemed to come to that conclusion.
He further concluded that UFO incidents were staged by the government
with the use of holographic projections and other mind-control technologies
then being developed at places such as Sandia National Laboratories.
LP: Please shed some light on your association with the late Milton
William Cooper (otherwise known as William ‘Bill’ Cooper) the famous
conspiracy theorist and author of Behold a Pale Horse and how his
work is of relevance to your own.
NH: When William ‘Bill’ Cooper first came on the scene in 1989 in Los
Angeles, I was quite impressed with his speeches. He had brought a new,
global conspiracy-type angle to the UFO phenomenon, which sounded very
fresh and exciting to lots of us in the so-called UFO community, including
myself. I even helped him launch his first public lecture at Hollywood
High School in 1989.
As the years went by, Cooper began to disassociate himself from UFOlogy.
He went into the ‘militia’ or ‘Patriot’ movement and, unfortunately,
met a violent death in 2001 in Arizona. What I admired about Cooper,
despite his well-known obnoxious and rather egotistical personality,
was the fact that he began to admit that he may have been purposely
shown disinformation by the Navy concerning UFOs. He also began to believe
that in the future a secret global government could even stage a ‘fake’
extraterrestrial event to create panic in order to establish a forced
global governance of some type.
LP: What do you make of the claims of Robert ‘Bob’ Lazar who says
he took part in a top secret government project, based at Area 51 [Nevada,
USA], to reverse-engineer recovered extraterrestrial spacecraft and
others who’ve come forward with similar sensational stories?
NH: The claims of Bob Lazar are simply claims and cannot be verified.
However, over all these years Lazar has never changed his story. The
very fact that Lazar still has a scientific equipment business in Michigan
(United Nuclear) and still seems to be doing occasional work indirectly
with some defence contractors seems to indicate he is indeed knowledgeable
in the scientific applications associated with military technologies.
But there is also a theory that Lazar was intentionally manipulated
by the government to strengthen the ‘extraterrestrial’ element to the
Area 51 story, thus bringing about the ‘laughter curtain’ whenever discussion
of this important military base is brought up by the public.
LP: In your opinion, the UFO phenomenon is non-physical in nature, having
nothing to do with flesh-and-blood extraterrestrial beings. Alternately,
you’ve expressed a strong appreciation of Dr. Jacques Vallée’s
extra-dimensional hypothesis, which interprets UFO events in terms of
other “dimensions” or “realities” existing alongside our own.
NH: The vast majority of the world’s scientists as well as the public
at large seem convinced there has to be advanced extraterrestrial civilisations
elsewhere in the universe. However, when it comes to the question of
UFOs most of them do not support the theory that we have ever been (or
are being) visited by physical extraterrestrial beings in physical spacecraft;
physically it is impossible, they say. Even Stephen Hawking, one of
the world’s most brilliant minds, while acknowledging the existence
of extraterrestrial civilisations are almost certain, says that no aliens
have ever come to earth in UFOs.
But the UFO phenomenon seems to be real. I totally agree with Vallée,
who continues to support the extra-dimensional origins of UFOs. I also
tend to believe that UFOs are not objects nor are they flying. I tend
to believe they are temporarily materialising and dematerialising
in other words, intruding into our dimension for reasons unknown and
receding back quickly into their dimension. UFO reports have existed
from time immemorial. Even today we do not comprehend the true nature
of this puzzling phenomenon.
LP: You once worked as a licensed funeral director, while some of your
blog posts concern philosophical topics such as death and the afterlife.
Do you believe these topics are of relevance to the UFO phenomenon and,
if so, how?
NH: The world is filled with mysteries. There are things in this world
that cannot be sufficiently explained. Life and death are mysteries
unto themselves. So, in this sense, the UFO phenomenon is no different
from the mysteries of life and death. The phenomenon, which has existed
from time immemorial (i.e. sighting reports), has not been solved yet.
This is the reason I am so fascinated with the topic. The world would
be dull without such mysteries. In fact, as I’ve stated many times in
my public presentations, the UFO phenomenon is perhaps the most important
topic of mankind.
The above interview appears in New
Dawn Special Issue Vol 6 No 5
http://www.newdawnmagazine.com/special-issues/new-dawn-special-issue-vol-6-no-5
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