- I am not here to defend nor to put Bob
- The fact is that Bob Lazar has been
categorized as a fraud by most so-called UFO researchers and the public-at-large,
although there are still some who hold on to the belief that Bob Lazar
was who he said he was and that he did everything that he claimed.
- One person who still totally and adamantly
supports Bob Lazar's claims is KLAS-TV Eyewitness News anchorman, George
Knapp, and of course, Bob's friend, Las Vegas real estate appraiser, Gene
- Is Bob Lazar a total fraud?
- I am still not sure. I still have
some unanswered questions.
- As for Bob Lazar's timeline, the whole
world had already been familiar with Tom Mahood's timeline of Lazar, which
he published in 1994.
- However, not everyone is familiar with
Gene Huff's 1995 rebuttal of Tom Mahood's timeline of Lazar.
- But, thanks to Gary Sellani, Gene Huff's
1995 rebuttal of Tom Mahood's timeline was once again posted on the dreamlandresort.com
- As I said above, personally, I still
have some unanswered questions about Bob Lazar:
- It was on February 21, 1990 that a crew
of Nippon Television Network (NTV) of Japan and I (total of 7) had an opportunity
to visit and interview Bob Lazar at his residence in Las Vegas. This
was made possible through Bob's friend, real estate appraiser, Gene Huff.
- We arrived at Bob's residence around
11 a.m., or so, to the best of my recollection.
- They took us to the living room, which
at that time did not seem to me to be fully furnished and "lived".
They showed us Bob's study room, which also did not seem to me to be fully
furnished. Yes, there were a few books on physics on the bookshelf
and there were computers on his desk. In any case, the interview
was conducted by a writer from a magazine and I was simply there as an
- The interview lasted about two hours.
- When we arrived at his house, there were
about 5 or 6 men in the house.
- At first I thought they were simply Bob's
friends. But later on I notieced something unusual about some
of those men. It seemed that throughout the interview, whether in
the living room or in Bob's study room, two men were constantly on each
side of Bob. One of them seemed to have a rectangular black communications
equipment with him. Perhaps it could have been a cellphone
(although this was in 1990).
- When we moved to the kitchen area, those
two men also moved alongside Bob. When we moved to Bob's study room,
those men also moved together with Bob.
- So we asked Bob, "who are these
men?" Bob simply said that, "don't worry, these
are just friends".
- Perhaps this was nothing. But
I just thought to bring this up, because that's the one thing throughout
the interview that impressed me the most.
- What do I think of Bob?
- I still cannot come to a conclusion.
- In any case, later that Wednesday afternoon,
the TV crew and I drove about 2 hours from Las Vegas and reached the location
where Bob had said we would see a test flight of a object arising over
the Groom Mountains.
- And, indeed, immediately after sundown
and after haveing set up the TV cameras, etc. on the dirt road (right next
to Hwy 375), Lord, behold!!, around 6:45 p.m. we observed a bright orangish
light appearing over the Groom Mountains and made some interesting maneuvers.
I was quite impressed at that time. Around 7:15 p.m., another
light came up. In any case, this was the beginning of my real
interest in Area 51, before Area 51 was even a household name at that time.
- As the years went by, I came to dismiss
my initial excitement about those sightings. I came to the conclusion
that those lights were a test-flying of our aircraft (such
as prototypes of newer black triangular craft) (or possibly, the
initial phases of test-flights of UAVs, or "unmanned aerial vehicles",
or even "unmanned combat aerial vehicles" (UCAVs), or other remotely-controlled
- As the years went by, I also began to
have some questions regarding Bob Lazar. A few years later, I did
see a copy of Bob Lazar's paycheck.
- It wasn't much. Something
like about $987.00.
- Then I found out that Bob Lazar's Social
Security Number did not belong to Bob Lazar but to a lady in New York.
- Also, I began to have doubts about Bob
Lazar for his not keeping the promise that he would fly to Japan in early
March of 1990 to appear live on the 2-hour Japanese TV program on Area
51. I was waiting for his flight from Vegas to Los Angeles
where I was to meet him. He never showed up. Later
on, the producer of the TV program said that he got an urgent call from
Bob that Bob was not allowed to go to Japan to appear on that program.
This was a total disappointment.
- Also, later on, I also came under the
impression that Bob Lazar kept the $(honorarium) which was a guarantee
that he would appear on the program live in Japan. Nevertheless, in mid
March of 1990, a two-hour prime time TV Special on Area 51 was aired in
Japan (without the live appearance portion of the program) and was seen
by millions and millions of people there, when Area 51 wasn't even known
by a lot of the American public.
- So, what do I think of Bob Lazar?
- Like I said, I still cannot conclusively
dismiss him totally.
- He is a genius in science and technology,
no doubt about that.
- The whole world, by now, also knows that
Bob Lazar moved to New Mexico in the Sandia Mountains, next to Albuquerque.
It is my understanding that he still does some contract work occasionally
for various defense-related sub-contractors (not the direct contractors).
His present activities also include United Nuclear.
- Was Bob Lazar part of a disinformation
campaign? Was he a witting participant or was he manipulated
unwittingly in the disinformation ploy? I do not know.
What I also know is that Bob Lazar had a huge debt while he worked
in New Mexico, prior to moving in to Nevada.
- What I also know is that the Air Force
did benefit from the belief by a segment of the population (and a
push by a segment of the population to promote this theory) that
Area 51 was somehow associated with extraterrestrial technology.
- It definitely helped in bringing about
the "laughter curtain" to Area 51, which was needed as a "cover
- It is my understanding that occasionally,
"cover stories" are created by defense contractors during certain
projects to draw attention away from or to bring up a "laughter curtain"
to discret researchers' scrutiny of such projects.
- But again, I could be wrong.
- STRANGE BEHAVIOR OF BOB LAZAR
- In 1991, my former colleague, Gary Schultz
and I organized an "Ultimate UFO Seminar" in the Little A-le-Inn
(at that time known as Rachel's Bar and Grill).
- Despite little prior notice on this event,
that memorable evening, the entire inn was filled with people. It
was standing room only. There weren't any space left even to
- The only speakers were Gary Schultz and
- We did not invite any particular guests,
but we were surprised to see Lincoln County Sheriff himself, Dahl Bradfield,
seated inside. We were also astonished to see William Cooper (who, later
on became a rabble-rousing militiaman and was killed a few years ago in
Arizona) seated also, silently listening to our presentation.
- There was Anthony J. Hilder (a rabble-rousing
former talk show host in Alaska) in the crowd.
- We also noticed that Sean Morton (an
unknown enthusiast at that time who later on became a well-known self-professed
"prophet" through his appearances on the wacky Art Bell show)
was seated. (I am ashamed to say that I myself was a rabble-rouser at
that time who also had appeared on the wacky Art Bell radio show a few
- As Gary and I continued with our speech,
we were surprised to see John Lear (son of the inventor of the Lear Jet)
enter the room. A little later, the door opened again and here comes George
Knapp, KLAS-TV news anchorman. Then about 30 minutes later,
we were astonished to see Bob Lazar enter the room, together with his girlfriend.
There was no space left for them to be seated. We never expected
these individuals to be there. Literally, the entire Little
A-le-Inn was filled with so many so-called UFO "luminaries",
all in one place. There must have been at least 95 to 110 people
- Bob Lazar and his girlfriend stood in
the kitchen, initially appearing to be looking towards us and listening
to our presentations. But, instead, what we noticed was that Bob Lazar
was continually laughing at Gary Schultz while he was giving the serious
lecture. It seemed as if Lazar was mocking the entire Area
51/S-4 topic as if he himself didn't believe in it. I simply
could not understand the reaction of Bob Lazar. There may be nothing
to this, but I just felt that his behavior was a little odd.
- Two years later, in 1993, again Gary
Schultz and I organized a much larger "Ultimate UFO Seminar"
at the same place. However, this time we anticipated a much larger
crowd so we decided to have it outside during the daytime, right next to
the Little A-le-Inn. I believe it was in May. By
this time, Gary Schultz became more acquainted with Bob Lazar and Bob Lazar
agreed to come to speak.
- We requested Joe Travis of the Little
A-le-Inn to set up 200 chairs outside. Joe said he will take
care of it.
- When both Gary and I arrived at the Little
A-le-Inn the day of the gatheirng, we were totally astonished to see a
huge military tent right next to the Inn. What was strange was that
we didn't expect such a large military tent to be there. When
we asked Joe Travis how he got that tent, he simply said that he borrowed
the tent from the base (i.e., Area 51). I wasn't aware
then that Joe Travis had a working relationship with Area 51!!
(the fact of which he really didn't talk too much).
- The base definitely knew that we would
be having a large gathering in Rachel.
- (In recent times, it is my understanding
that the new security cameras at the present day Little A-le-Inn were installed
by military contractors, per gratis or not, I am not sure, although Pat
Travis said that the cameras are not connected to anything beyond her operation.
As you know, it is assumed that there is a fixed camera on Bald Mountain
pointing at the Little A-le-Inn's parking lot).
- In any case, there were almost 200 people
(from all over the U.S. and even some from Canada) at the seminar/gathering.
Remember, this was in 1993. Among the audience was Glenn Campbell,
a computer specialist who just moved to Nevada from the East Coast.
Glenn Campbell, later on, became an Area 51 activist who was instrumental
in publicizing the existence of Area 51 base to a much wider segment of
- By the way, when Bob Lazar arrived at
the seminar (he came with a couple of ladies), we were surprised to see
his Corvette which had a license plate "MJ-12". It was
probably his mockery of the alleged existence of MJ-12. That memorable
event was covered by a Los Angeles Times reporter.
- That was to be Bob Lazar's last public
- the entire above article has its own