- "This crisis gives us a great opportunity to take
our country back. And it can be done (now)."
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- Rense's reading of this quote from LaRouche's alert statement
is transcribed as spoken.}
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- JEFF RENSE: Welcome back. The heat continues -- and there's
a lot of heat in this world that's not measured by thermometers and temperature
gauges.
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- Lyndon LaRouche has warned everyone--he did so on July
27--about Dick Cheney's "Guns of August" mentality, which he
says, threatens the world.
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- Let me read the first paragraph from the statement by
Lyndon LaRouche, from the Executive Intelligence Review News Service. Lyndon
said, on Wednesday, July 27, in his statement, he is issuing an international
alert covering the period of August 2005, which is the "likely timeframe,"
he says, "for Vice President Dick Cheney, with the full collusion
of the circles of British Prime Minister Tony Blair, to unleash the recently
exposed plans to stage a pre-emptive tactical nuclear strike against Iran."
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- "The danger of such a mad Hitler-in-the-bunker action
from the Cheney circles would be even further heightened were the United
States Congress to stick with its present schedule and go into recess on
July 30 until Sept. 4. With Congress out of Washington, the Cheney-led
White House would almost certainly unleash a `Guns of August' attack on
Iran."
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- This said by Lyndon LaRouche on July 27.
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- It is now Aug. 4. We wanted Lyndon to come on and talk
about this. And we have asked him, he has said "OK," and he is
standing by now.
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- Hello Lyndon, welcome back to the program.
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- LYNDON LAROUCHE: How do you do?
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- Q: Gee! You sound better than I do!
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- LAROUCHE: Well, I'm in fair shape for an old geezer.
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- Q: No, I mean the ISDN line. You always sound good, but
wow -- what presence! You could have been a politician, or an economist!
[they laugh]
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- LAROUCHE: Well, I did sort of pass through those times.
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- Q: You did, indeed. And you still are.
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- Listen, for those of you who don't know much about Lyndon
LaRouche, I would urge you to familiarize yourself with his brilliant work
over the years, and the {EIR}, the {Executive Intelligence Review}. We're
going to give you some numbers later on to get you some free information.
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- A former Presidential candidate, of course, Lyndon has
acquired, earned, and deservedly so, a tremendous worldwide respect. Here
in America, he is not as well known, as he is, for example, in Europe,
in the Middle East, in India, and in other places.
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- He's quite an interesting and fascinating American patriot.
He is a great mind, when it comes to the economy, but he is also a visionary,
in the best geopolitical sense of that term, when it comes to looking at
the world.
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- Tell us why these madmen in Washington may use August
-- I just hinted to that -- but tell us more, Lyndon.
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- LAROUCHE: Well, to get the background, I had this information
coming at me earlier, from sources, intelligence sources, leading people,
and also checked it with people in the Senate and other people around the
Congress.
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- Q: What did you get back?
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- LAROUCHE: There was no question--that this is a "go."
This is what the operation is. And I said, "Well, if you're going
to run an operation like this, then you're have to run it, pretty much,
while the Congress is off-watch.
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- Now, the Senate is not going to go away. The Senate could
come back in, in 24 hours, could be back in business. But the opportune
time for someone like Cheney, or Cheney's mentality--remember, these are
a tiny minority, of our intelligence and military community who are involved
in this thing. Most people in the military, top professionals are afraid
of this thing, they know it's insane. But you have a President who is going
back to Crawford ranch to drive his tricycle, and the Vice President, who
is a sociopath, frankly--that's not an slander, that's true!--
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- Q: What term--you had a great term for these people.
What did you call them ... "the beast-men"?
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- LAROUCHE: Yeah, they are! Well, this is Cheney. Everybody
knows that, who knows Cheney in Washington, everyone says the same thing.
The guy comes on like a beast. He snarls, he's like a cave-man with a club,
attacking a child. He's a bully. He's a brute.
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- Q: He's got nothing to lose. He's on borrowed time, with
that heart of his, too. So, he's got no accountability, right?
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- LAROUCHE: I don't know where his sense of identity is,
exactly. It's somewhere I don't want to be!
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- Q: I hear you.
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- LAROUCHE: But, the unfortunate thing is, he is the Vice
President. He is also a tool, like a Mafia hit man, who works for people
like George Shultz and others who put him in the position he's in now.
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- So, this crew around him, which includes Tony Blair and
his crowd, pulled off the Iraq war. Now, there was no reason to go into
Iraq. And now, anyone who knows about it, says, "This was terrible.
This was stupid, it was wrong, it was criminal."
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- Q: And by the way, the word that I'm getting now, from
men who have been there, and women, is that virtually {all} American (military)
are on steroids and other things. They are scared--and understandably so--they
know what's being done to them; and sure, they volunteered for it, but
that doesn''t change the situation.
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- LAROUCHE: Well, if you're in the National Guard and you
sign up for weekend service, that does not mean you were--you belong over
there!
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- So, this is a horror-show. The Afghanistan thing is also
a horror-show. It's less conspicuous. It's this big drug-running operation
in a failed state--that's no good for us, either.
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- So, in this kind of situation, you have people who are
faced with the greatest financial crisis in modern history, which is coming
down fast. It's something we could deal with, but they don't like the answers,
they don't like the solution. So therefore, they're saying, there's only
one they could do, and that's get a dictatorship.
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- Now, we saw the attempt to do that, with 9/11: That it
was obvious to me, that that was going to happen, that we were going into
a severe crisis that the Bush-Cheney crowd could not handle, and therefore,
the temptation would be, to have an incident, or to exploit an incident,
in order to get dictatorial powers, which is what they did with Patriot
I, Patriot II. Exactly that.
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- Now, again, you have the housing crisis, which is about
the blow, especially in--well, Australia/New Zealand also, but especially
in the United Kingdom and the United States. I mean, you have houses which
could go down to $200,000, which are now mortgaged at $1 million and that
kind of thing. It's in various parts of the United States.
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- Q: Sure.
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- LAROUCHE: The hot, mortgage bubble speculation is the
biggest inflationary factor, of the type that people are right up against,
in modern times.
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- So, the whole thing can come down. All these things can
be handled. {But!}--
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- Q: By the way, when that happens, it will wipe out what's
left of most of the American middle class.
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- LAROUCHE: It may not. See, the point is, that's what
comes up: Because we are a special kind of nation. Other nations have many
of the qualities we have. But our nation has very specific, in the powers
of the government, we are committed above all to protect the general welfare.
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- It's what Franklin Roosevelt did, within the limits of
what he could do. And it's what any decent government of the United States
would do. It's what most people in Washington, really, would do--most people
in the Senate, for example, would think that way. When you've got a banking
crisis, you're not going to let the country get shut down. You're not going
to let people get thrown out of their houses {en masse}.
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- You're going to reorganize the thing, so that people
can get on with their lives, and rebuild the economy, as we did under Roosevelt.
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- But, there are some people who don''t want to do that--
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- Q: There are a lot of people who don't want to do that,
and they happen to be in control of this country right now.
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- LAROUCHE: More or less--but not as much as most people
think. Because people in the Senate, for example, that I deal with, and
I could say the majority--the overwhelming majority of Democrats in the
Senate, a great number of Republicans in the Senate--like, they're human
beings! They may have their quirks and their this and their that, but when
push comes to shove, they are concerned about the country, and a lot of
them--
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- Q: That's why--excuse me! That's why they 'read' the
Patriot Act I, before they passed it? They're 'concerned' about the country?
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- LAROUCHE: Sure!
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- Q: They didn't read the damned thing! They just passed
it!
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- LAROUCHE: I know, they were panicked. They're panicked.
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- Q: NO EXCUSES. Sorry! I don't buy it.
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- LAROUCHE: I know! But, the point is, in my position,
I have to say, "Well, I have to pull these guys out of it. So, they
do bad things--"
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- Q: I understand, I understand where you're at. That's
OK. That's all right. There are some good people there.
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- LAROUCHE: And we find more and more, right now. Now,
they're not clear yet, on the economic question, in the Senate or anywhere
else. They realize there's a problem.
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- Q: If they had one-tenth of your understanding, Lyndon,
they'd be on a path to some kind of resolution here. They don't get it.
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- LAROUCHE: They're in that direction. But the problem--remember
what I'm doing, as opposed to what they're used to: I come from a different
generation. I come from the World War II generation.
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- And I think, like we used to think. I think like we thought
during the Depression and World War II. I think the way you'd think after
living through that experience, and saying, what would we do if we faced
another problem like this? Which is what we're facing now.
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- Q: Those values are, perhaps, reflective of the highest
point of achievement of this society of ours. But, they're not current!
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- LAROUCHE: Aw, but there are people in the Senate, you
can get through the majority of the leaders of the Democratic Party in
the Senate; if you get to deal, as I do, directly with the leading Senators,
Republican Senators, or many of them: These guys are decent people. They
have their shortcomings, but they're decent people. And they {are} a good
Senate. They are good Senators.
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- The House of Representatives is a different proposition,
because people serve less time. It's a two-year term; and the Senate is
{always} in session, it never breaks up; the House of Representatives breaks
up every two years, with a new election--complete break-up. There are permanent
committees in the House of Representatives, which are very important. And
you have people who are staff people, who serve from term, to term, to
term. They're really professionals, they know what they're doing.
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- So, we have a lot of resources there, of a parliamentary
nature. We have the best kind of parliamentary government in the world,
in terms of our Congress and our Senate. But, there are weaknesses. You
need a Presidential leadership. That's what the Founders of the country
recognized, and that's where the weakness is.
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- Q: We have to go to a break. "El Residente"
(no "P"), El Residente Bush is now heading off to vacation. Twenty
percent of the Bush Presidency has been spent {on vacation}--an all-time
record. {Twenty percent}, Lyn.
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- LAROUCHE: I would say 80 to 90%, in point of fact! On
vacation, either in Crawford, or on vacation in the White House!
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- Q: I'll buy that. Stand by, we'll come right back, with
Lyndon LaRouche in just a couple minutes. [commercial break]
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- All right, back with our special first-hour conversation,
tonight with Lyndon LaRouche who's back. Lyndon's July 27 warning, and
alert, looms very large: Because the stage is now set. The dog days are
here. The weapons systems, of course, are deployed in the Middle East,
not only on U.S. battle groups, but certainly on the ground in multiple
countries, and Israel has recently purchased a vast armada of bunker-busting
munitions systems, of various types and configurations.
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- Lyndon based his assessment of the "Guns of August"
attack on Iran on a series of factors, reported to him over recent days,
as he said, beginning with the qualified report from a former U.S. intelligence
official published in the {American Conservative} magazine, that Dick Cheney
{ordered} the Strategic Command, STRATCOM, to prepare a contingency plan,
or two, for a conventional, {and} tactical nuclear strike, against {hundreds}
of targets in Iran, in the event of a new 9/11-style attack on the United
States. Are they going to do it, Lyn? Do you really believe it?
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- LAROUCHE: What happened, was, I was convinced after talking
directly and indirectly to people I should talk to about this, that they
all wanted somebody to blow the whistle. And by the time we made the round,
which was over a period of less than a week, I knew that I was the guy
that was designated to blow the whistle.
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- Q: Well, you're safe. You're not in office--okay, I understand.
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- LAROUCHE: Well, no. I'm the kind of person that does
that sort of thing--
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- Q: That's right.
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- LAROUCHE: And I have an outreach into--respect from intelligence
services, and other relevant people around the world. And so, it was thought
that if I {do} this, it will command attention from the right people, who
will be forced to look at the facts which not merely me, but other people
are presenting. And forced to look at the facts, they would have to see
I was right. Now, around the world today, you find that--around influential
circles in every part of the world, there's a recognition that I'm right.
Now, we don't know, in a case like this, that it's absolutely going to
happen in August. We do know that the conditions for it to happen in August
are high.
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- The probability that it will happen in August, if it
is going to happen, are high. That doesn't mean it couldn't be postponed.
But, in a manner of order like this, you have think like a commander in
warfare: You have to be prepared for looking at the {earliest likely point
of attack}, if it's going to occur. You have to be prepared to deal with
it, and you have to be prepared to position yourself, so that the enemy
who's thinking of making the attack, will pull back. Now, my major concern,
in putting out this statement, was to get out people, that is, people who
would agree with the danger, stopping this danger, would start to position
themselves, to prevent this order from going out.
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- That's the first objective, and that's what I'm trying
to do. And I think it's working. We really have, we have got the attention
of people around the world, most notably in Europe, and in the United States.
So, I think I probably have done a good job so far. Have I done enough?
I don't know! But--
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- Q: Well, you've done all you can do. I don't know what
else you can do--
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- LAROUCHE: Well, I think if they could ignore tomorrow,
they will help the process! But it's just a--
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- Q: You know, the internet, Lyn, as you know, is absolutely
rife with rumors, and predictions, and prophecies, and {all kinds} of scenarios
being pushed around: Aw, they're going to nuke a medium-size American city
and they're going to blame it on this and that; or, there'll be a biological
attack, and a couple hundred thousand people'll get sick; maybe tens of
thousands of die. It'll be blamed on the most convenient enemy, and retribution,
of course, will be exact, swift, and {unmerciful}. So, I don't know if--uh,
I don't know! You know, these things seem to happen, when you least expect
it?
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- LAROUCHE: Well, it's not quite that complicated: What
you're getting into is an area that people don't yet understand, except
a few of us. What we're going--we're past the time of conventional war.
We're past the period, in which even nuclear-armed conventional war is
likely--in other words, battles, with battlefields and so forth.
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- This is getting--, because the response, especially of
nations without advanced weapons systems, and parts of the population which
don't have massive weapons, the response is what we're seeing in Iraq;
what we're seeing in Afghanistan, and elsewhere. It's called by various
names: It's called "asymmetric warfare"; it's called "irregular
warfare"; it's called "people's war," it's called all different
kinds of things.
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- What's happened is, when you threaten the world, the
way that Cheney and company have threatened over a billion Muslims in the
world, for example, just as one target, and says "they're all bad,
we're going to kill 'em all." Now, Cheney may not have said quite
that, but if you put all the people together who are with him who are saying
similar things, that's the message that's going out. Now, if you go to
a billion people, and say, "You're our enemy. We're going to kill
you all," what are they likely to do? If they don't have superweapons?
They're likely to say, "Well, if you're going to kill me anyway, I'm
going to fight back now the way I can," and--
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- Q: Sure, "I'll take a few of you along with me."
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- LAROUCHE: Now, that's the situation. Therefore, what
do you do about this? What you have to do, is you have to have positive
measures go into effect, which create the kind of environment, in which
the impulse toward asymmetric or irregular warfare doesn't erupt.
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- In other words, if the people of the United States know
that the government of the United States is good, is good for them, is
going to care about them; if they know that the government of the United
States is one of the forces in the world which is going to {help prevent}
this kind of persecution of threatened people, they're less like to attack.
And the way you prevent war, is by that kind of approach, and that's what
we need. That takes the mystery out of the whole business.
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- Q: I'd love to see it! I'm not seeing it so far. The
President is off to ride his bicycle and eat pretzels in Crawford.
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- LAROUCHE: I think it's a tricycle. I don't think he maintains
his balance too well on the bicycle.
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- Q: He's crashed numerous times, hasn't he? It's odd.
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- LAROUCHE: I say, he's a tricycle man. I can see it in
that helicopter beanie on his head, you know? Keeping him stable.
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- Q: Okay, stand back. In a minute or two, we'll return,
with Lyndon LaRouche after this. Okay, welcome back. Jeff Rense with Lyndon
LaRouche. By the way, I don't know if you saw this or not, Lyn, on the
"O'Reilly Factor" last night, Bill O'Reilly was in top form!
He had on Pierce O'Donnell [ph] discussing how the Bush Administration
is handling the prosecution of prisoners at Guantanamo. The entire mess
is playing right into the hands of the terrorists, who now use Guantanmo
Bay as a recruiting tool.
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- So, what would Fox's Bill O'Reilly do to fix the problem?
"Kill 'em all!" O'Reilly,--here's a quote now--"I don't
give them any protection. I don't feel sorry for them. In fact, I probably
would have ordered their execution, if I had the power. Kill 'em all, and
let Allah sort them out." That's the "O'Reilly Fix," oh!
I mean "Factor." So, there you go: These are the kinds of people
that are holding great sway over American public opinion, believe it or
not. You know it. Not the people listening to us, tonight. But there are
a lot of people who listen to O'Reilly and like him. [to his engineer]
Oh, you do? We have the audio clip. You want to hear it, Lyndon?
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- LAROUCHE: I can hear it, fine.
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- Q: Yeah, if you got it, let's play it. This is in the
so-called mainstream media, folks.
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- [clip] O'REILLY: They're going to kill you, no matter
what.
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- GUEST: No, we're going to win the war on terror, Bill.
And we're going to win it, because America has always stood up for what
counts, for what's right, and the values of human life, equal dignity,
equal protection, the rights of women. These people don't care about any
of those things. They're anathema to them. And we have to root them out,
the same as we did fascism, and we did communism.
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- O'REILLY: All right--I'm for that!
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- GUEST: In the same way--do {not}--as we honor the dead
as 9/11 approaches, let's also celebrate our living Bill of Rights, and
give it vigor.
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- O'REILLY: All right. But, I don't give the Bill of Rights
protection, {or} the Constitution protection, {or} the Geneva Convention,
to people not in uniform, slaughtering--
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- GUEST: What about Mr. Padilla, the U.S. citizen?
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- O'REILLY: Well, that's a different game, but, to people
slaughtering civilians. I don't give them any protection. I don't feel
sorry for them. In fact, I probably would have ordered their execution,
if I had the power. Counsel [ph], we thank you for coming in. We appreciate
it.
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- Q: End of story! All right, Lyn. Just to give you a taste--.
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- LAROUCHE: Well, it sounds like Adolf Hitler has his imitators.
You want to kill people before they're found guilty--even, just--that's
what you're getting!
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- Q: No rights, folks! We have rights, here of course,
but no one else does. You're the wrong color, the wrong religion, you're
SOL [shit outta luck].
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- LAROUCHE: Well, this is the old stuff, this is the same
old stuff. This is same old thing the Nazis--
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- Q: It is the same old, same old. This was being batted
around, and blared all over the radio waves in World War II.
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- LAROUCHE: Yeah, well, this is Nazi stuff--{straight}
Nazi stuff. And we know it. That's one of the things that has some of the
Republicans, with military specialties, like--well Senator Warner, for
example, extremely upset by this stuff. This goes against everything he
stands for. And it's the kind of thing, that I guess gets his hackles up
a bit. But, that's where you see some goodness in some of these politicians,
who otherwise you think are rather ordinary, and opportunistic.
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- Q: Well, that's nice. Talk's cheap, look how they vote.
They vote CAFTA, they vote NAFTA, they vote--. Vote after vote goes against
the American, well, America's best interests.
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- LAROUCHE: Look, we've been doing that--. Most of our
people, are, to one degree or another, guilty of this. They have played
into that ideology. Now, it turns around and bites them. They find people
who ran for office, who were voted for, because they didn't oppose that
ideology. When they get into office, they continue to support it--not
because they agree with it, but because they "went along to get along."
And it comes down and bites us.
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- Q: That's called "selling out your constituents,"
in my book.
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- LAROUCHE: But the point is, that's what happens.
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- Q: Let's call it "idiotology" too, not ideology.
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- LAROUCHE: Well, whatever it is, the point is, is we have
to realize that our people in general have been a little bit guilty themselves
in this. And now, it comes and bites us.
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- Q: Look what happened in London. Look what happened in
London--c'mon. Tony Blair--I mean, the bombing that killed 55-60 people;
I'm sorry, that's a tragedy, and they right away start blaring the trumpets,
saying, "This is just like the blitz in World War II."
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- LAROUCHE: Well, this is Blair. I mean, don't expect any
morality from these guys! They don't care about life and death--I know
these guys.
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- Q: They're "beast-men."
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- LAROUCHE: Yeah, they are! That's exactly what they are.
But, you know, I feel good about mankind. I know what mankind's capable
of doing. I've been around for a little bit of time, and I've seen it.
That's not what all people--
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- Q: William Rodriguez was on last night. He was {20 years},
worked in the North World Trade Center Tower, in charge--his whole domain
was one of the three stairways all the way to the top; man rescued people,
lived right through the most hellish attack on America in our history;
incredibly heroic American, just a wonderful human being. And yeah, you're
right, they're out there. There're lots of them out there. But they're
being brainwashed, duped, deceived, conned, and, well, prejudiced almost
around the clock by the media.
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- LAROUCHE: Yeah, but--
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- Q: And I don't share--with all respect, my friend--I
do {not} share your benign description of {many} of the top people in this
government--at all. They may be nice guys, but they've been compromised,
and they've sold, and I call them "whores." I do not like them,
I think they should be thrown out after one term. I don't think they should
be allowed to set up fiefdoms, or "fifedoms" (however you want
to pronounce it), and carry on as they.
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- They're cons, they're criminals, they're pedophiles,
they're homosexuals, they're deviants, they're crooks, in many cases--and
I call them scum! And that's where we may have a little difference of opinion.
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- LAROUCHE: [laughs] Well, I'm more optimistic about mankind.
I see--
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- Q: I didn't say "mankind." I said the people
in the U.S. Senate and the Congress. I'm not talking about mankind.
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- LAROUCHE: People on the street, the same thing. There're
good people--
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- Q: We're in trouble as a nation, Lyndon. You know that.
You lived through the greatest epoch of our history.
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