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Lyndon LaRouche
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Lyndon LaRouche was interviewed by Jeff Rense in the
late evening of Sept. 20, 2005. The following is an unproofed transcript,
courtesy of Lois Reynolds soholo@shaw.ca
10-9-5
 
JEFF RENSE: Welcome back. Hope your day was a good one. Sit down and get ready for three hours of very interesting and informative radio coming your way, as we try to bring you every night, Monday through Friday over the Genesis Communications Network, syndicated nationally. And, of course, we are on the Internet worldwide, as well.
 
First hour tonight, another superb one: Lyndon LaRouche. Long-time American political figure, and former Democratic Presidential candidate, joins us for the first hour this evening for an update on the madness coming from Pennsylvania Avenue by the Bush-Cheney neo-con cartel...a group Lyndon aptly named, "the Beast-Men" who continue to run roughshod over the American Constitution and our history, while looting and pillaging at will, both at home - and need I tell you, abroad.
 
In fact, the level of vile, deadly corruption in the U.S. government has reached dizzying, staggering heights, and there seems no end in sight. Bush's approval ratings of course, have plummeted, but "W" just keeps on rolling. He just keeps on rolling, spewing his unprecedented hypocrisy and dark evil legacy all over this land much like the Mississippi did to New Orleans recently.
 
Welcome back, Lyndon, how are you?
 
LYNDON LAROUCHE: Oh, in fair shape for an old geezer.
 
Q: You always sound like you're in fair shape!
 
LAROUCHE: I try to stay that way.
 
Q: You're amazing. This show we're being forced to watch continues to become more and more depraved all the time. I don't understand how it can continue--but it does! And the ladies and gentlemen in our Congress continue to roll over and play dead. What are your latest observations on them and the scene in our nation's capital?
 
LAROUCHE: I think you have now got a rate of inflation, which is hyperinflationary. We're in a world situation, which is like Germany in 1923. And you just look at the rate at which prices are rising, and you realize that this is not going to go on too much longer. We're near the end of the game.
 
Q: How can it go on any longer? I mean--look, as you know, Lyndon, you've been saying this for many, many years - before anyone else I can remember - that the day of accounting is coming soon. These people continue to create money out of virtual cyberspace with a few keystrokes on a computer. Not a care {in the world}, about trying to consider a way to pay it back, balance the budget, or any of the other old clichés we like to talk about.
 
LAROUCHE: Yes, well, there is a certain amount of madness. I think you can say that the people who are running the world right now, are insane. They don't care much about anything, they're just running things. They're hysterical. Cheney is in deep trouble, physically, as you know. He's got some physical problems, there; surgical problems.
 
Q: It's said that he may have had a heart transplant a year ago. I don't know. But the man does seem to be invisible most of the time, that's for sure.
 
LAROUCHE: The man's--he's dangerous. He's not too bright. He's vicious--he's only a tool. He's only a tool. You've got a financial crowd that's running the world, which is, in my view, clinically insane. The President of the United States, I've said, he's a mental case. And this thing is rolling along. It's largely negligence on the part of a lot of people who should have known better. Right now, you've got, in the Congress and elsewhere, you've got people who are out of the ether--especially in the Senate--who are beginning to move. But, I just hope that we're moving in time. We're on the edge--as I said, we're on the edge of something like 1923 in Germany, in terms of economy. Just look at the price of petroleum. Look at what's happening. Look at other prices which are related to it. There's no shortage of petroleum--we've got a glut--
 
Q: Thank you!
 
LAROUCHE: We've had a glut for a long time--
 
Q: Thank you for saying that. All too true. This whole thing--I don't know if you feel one way or the other about the 'peak oil' argument, but I don't buy it for a second. In fact, Cornell University, the Geology Department, and others, have suggested that we have a process on this planet wherein oil is being manufactured all the time by the Earth. We just don't understand it. In one tract of land, 900 square miles off (ironically enough) Louisiana, out in the Gulf, there is more oil, says Cornell University Geology, than has ever been used since mankind began using petroleum as an energy base! That's how much oil is in ONE location.
 
LAROUCHE: Yeah! Well, right now, in terms of oil available, petroleum available, there's a world glut. It's not just what's in the Earth, which of course is there, but in the amount that's being produced is a glut. What we're seeing here is simply international financial interests, which are a cartel, which control the world's petroleum supplies, are rigging the prices.
 
Q: The vampires.
 
LAROUCHE: Worse! Worse. And the price is going up, because the system is at an end. Look at the spring: In the spring, you had hedge funds, which made a big gamble, and they lost. They were trying to bail out--and they're still trying to bail out--a lot of the hedge funds went under. Some survived. Those who survived, are trying to survive through their control over petroleum and other things. They're driving up the price to try to bail out their financial system, which is bankrupt. It won't work! It won't work--
 
Q: Utterly bankrupt. I agree. It won't work--no chance. By the way--excuse me one second: Had you been elected President, and you were in the White House right now, and this oil gouge was being perpetrated against the American people, which in fact is what it is - you know and many people listening know - you could have picked up a pen and signed one piece of paper {freezing} the price of oil and gasoline in the national interest...immediately.
 
LAROUCHE: Yeah, sure! I would have done it. I've proposed it. We have two things we've got to--you know, you can't manage everything by government decree, even international decrees. But there are some things, of certain limits, you can manage things. In this case, we have two things that we have to manage right now: We have to manage the price of petroleum, because we made ourselves dependent upon it. We can not allow a small group of people to drive the price up the way they're driving it up, now. About $40 a barrel is pure swindle; it's pure theft.
 
Q: Yes.
 
LAROUCHE: Because they control the market. The other thing I've got to worry about, is the supply and price of food. You may notice that the price of food is zooming.
 
Q: Well, of course!
 
LAROUCHE: We're in, now, a hyperinflationary spin, which is like Germany, 1923.
 
 
Q: The price of everything is exploding, and watch what happens in three to six months, folks, when gasoline goes to $5 and $6 a gallon, diesel fuel keeps apace, and the truckers, of course, who bring everything to every store in this country, will be forced to pass along their costs to you and I. This is an inflation of a different stripe, Lyndon, but it is hyperinflation.
 
LAROUCHE: It's like 1923 Germany: The rate of increase of price, now, is on the same kind of curve that Germany experienced in the second half of 1923. It's already happening, now. Now, we can control it. Governments could control it. The will to control it exists among many governments in the world. There's no problem about the price of oil. We have friends in the Middle East and so forth, who would be perfectly willing to cooperate with us, because they know that stability for them and everybody else depends on cooperation. They offered to do so. It is the United Kingdom and the United States government, which have refused to cooperate in controlling this price. And the two things I said we should control, we can't control everything with government, but we must control the price of petroleum, and we must ensure stability and price of food supplies. Those two things, we {must do, now}.
 
Q: How vital it is, Lyndon, to alert America--and I've begun to do that on my website. I'm not sure if you've been following this - I'm sure you're aware of it - but, the House of Representatives has approved a bill which has, as a rider, the ADL-sponsored, so-called "anti-hate legislation" which, in reality, is going to finish freedom of speech, freedom of inquiry, and {end} open forums in alternative news, of all different colors and kinds...if it is passed by the Senate. It has to go to a House-Senate conference. I've got this at the top of rense.com. If this is allowed to pass, free speech in this country, essentially, is cut off at the legs. If there was {ever} a time in our history, when we need freedom of expression, to the maximum potential available to us under the Constitution and Bill of Rights, we need it now. But these people (in Congress) do not have our interests in mind.
 
LAROUCHE: Well, I think you're at the point--
 
Q: Let's do this break, we'll come right back with Lyndon LaRouche. Please go to rense.com, read the top featured story. This is very serious, folks. As is often the case, a deadly threat to the American way of life measure has been affixed to another bill, and has passed in the House. Fortunately, it has, supposedly, to go to a joint conference between Congress and the Senate, and we have a chance to stop it. If it passes, it will be signed into law by the Bush-Cheney cartel, and programs like these, very well may vanish! That's where we are. {Read it}, carefully. We'll be right back. [commercial break]
All right, back with Lyndon LaRouche. And if you missed it, the top story at rense.com from Ted Pike: in a surprising move the House of Representatives on Sept. 14 approved the - how's this for a title, Lyn? I'm sure you've heard it - the "Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2005," HR 2662. As an amendment, this is an amendment, now--remember, it's a rider, an amendment--to the primary bill, which is called "The Children's Safety Act," HR 3132. The vote was 223-199. The Senate is expected to also approve a similar amendment within a month. This federal legislation orchestrated by the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith, will lead to creation of a vast anti-hate bureaucracy in America, similar to that which now exists in Canada. In Canada, it is a (quote) "hate crime" (end quote) to publicly criticize such federally protected groups as homosexuals and Jews, and others. I think you know the story of Ernst Zundel and what happened to him. In Canada, free speech talk radio no longer exists. It's gone. It is even illegal now in some areas to evangelize or proselytize {in public}. Friends, that's where we're headed, right here, with these so-called "anti-hate" laws. Which are being crafted for practically every country in the Western world by special interest groups. Lyndon, any comments on this? They're extremely dangerous.
 
LAROUCHE: Of course, it's dangerous. But I don't think it's going to work. We're in a situation, where we're on the edge of impeaching, or doing something similar, with the Vice President and the President. If we don't, apart from such laws, we just won't have government in the sense we've had it before, as we've known it. We're on the verge of the biggest crisis we can imagine. We have some good stuff in the Senate. You have, actually, a bipartisan tendency, with a majority of Democrats in the Senate, who've pretty much got their act together, within certain limits; and a majority of actually Republicans, who are patriots, who care about the country. But, together with these Republicans and Democrats, we have a clear majority. Now, the problem is this: The Republicans are thinking about impeachment, of Cheney, possibly Bush, too. The problem is, go back to the early 1970s: The Republicans finally agreed that Nixon had to go. First of all, they made maneuvers and so forth, but, it was the Republicans who agreed with the Democrats, that Nixon had to go, for the sake of the country. And they walked into him, to Nixon, one day, and said, "Mr. President, our opinion is, that you should quietly go. That way, we won't have to impeach you. Because Republicans and Democrats are agreed." Now, you're in a similar situation. The Republican Party, which in large degree, apart from the crazies, are patriots, do care about the country; our differences are relatively small, compared to this. They've got to make up their mind: Are they willing to go to Dick Cheney, and say to Dick Cheney, "Boy, go. You can avoid trouble if you do." Because the Democrats are ready to support the Republicans, if the Republicans decide they're going to get rid of their bad news, in their party. That's where we stand. It's quite possible, if you look at the rate of inflation, right now, and realize that we're on a curve, which is like Germany in the last half of 1923--the price of petroleum, the price of foodstuffs, the price of other things, are zooming. Particularly, because an international gang is out there, which has a monopoly on this oil business, and is {using} that, their control, to try to bail out their financial system, their financial interests. If we capitulate, we're going into something globally, like 1923 Germany. We don't know what'll happen then. So, these guys are facing the question: Are they going to do as I suggest--there are many people in the Democratic Party who are moving in that direction, there are Republicans who are thinking in that direction. We just have to keep pushing. The potential is there--the potential is there to stop this.
 
 
Q: So, we impeach Bush and Cheney. How do we impeach the neo-cons, who are the backbone of those who actually fomented this current coup which has taken control of our country?
 
LAROUCHE: Well, I'm not afraid of these guys. We can beat them. We can beat them--neo-cons are simply a tool. They're a tool of international financial interests--
 
Q: Understood.
 
LAROUCHE: We're on the edge of doing something about it. You'll see what's happened recently, well, since the beginning of this year. In the Democratic side of the Senate, you see the movement. You saw on May 23, a group of Republicans together with Democrats, stopped the nuclear option, Cheney's nuclear option. The mood is there. The problem is, that the White House is insane, and the Senate can't do it all by itself. The House of Representatives is not really ready to move. The Senate, potentially, is ready to move. And if these guys get their gumption up, and if Republicans who are patriots, join with the Democrats who are patriots, we can stop this right now. And that's what I'm working for.
 
Q: I hope you're successful. I, for one, am not--
 
LAROUCHE: So am I! So am I!
 
Q: I'm not too optimistic sitting around and waiting for them to "get their gumption up." That's what the hell they were elected for in the first place.
 
LAROUCHE: Well, I do what I can. I do what I can, and, it's working. It's not working the way I would like it, or other people would like it, but it's working. The {possibility} is there.
 
Q: All right, I like to hear that. Okay. Standby, we'll be right back with Lyndon LaRouche in just a few minutes. [commercial break] All right, back with Lyndon LaRouche. The war in Iraq continues. After the "mission accomplished" statement, things seemed to get predictably worse. And they are getting worse, and worse, all the time. No stability over there; no exit strategy - {nothing}. Does this mean that Cheney's oil war in Iraq - Bush and Cheney's - has failed, Lyndon? Or what?
 
LAROUCHE: No, it hasn't. It hasn't failed, because the intention was not to win a war. The intention was to start wars and keep them moving. The purpose was to provoke war. That's what's going on. Remember, that if you look in history, at least in known history, the history of Europe and beyond, you find that there have been empires. And empires have always ruled by a method of starting and continuing warfare. The Roman Empire ruled by continuing warfare, with the legions. The medieval period, you had the Venetians and the Normans ruled, or dominated Europe, by perpetual warfare, including Crusades and things like that. The British Empire, ruled its empire, by maintaining a process of continual warfare. What's happening now, is that there's an attempt to get a kind of dictatorship on this planet, and Cheney is only a tool of this kind of thing--he's not the author of it--but, what you've seen, since the Bush Administration came in, from the beginning, from the first day they got in there--I don't think George Bush knew what he was doing, but the crowd behind him did--and their intention was, as Cheney expressed this, to start wars, to keep wars going. Not to win wars! There was never an intention to {win} a war in Iraq
 
Q: The intention was to use Iraq as a way of spreading global warfare, as of a way, or part of the way of controlling the planet. That's what's on. That's what the issue is. That's what we're fighting about: Is to stop this nonsense. The Senate collapsed in 2001, because somebody orchestrated 2001, the event--and the Senate collapsed, and went to a war in Iraq, because it was blackmailed psychologically into going to a war in Iraq. I don't think they'd do it again.
 
Q: Blackmailed, lied to, deceived, betrayed--
 
LAROUCHE: Everything, all those
 
Q: Manipulated--
 
LAROUCHE: All those bad things. And, it wasn't just Cheney, it was the crowd behind him. We have this crowd in there, that's been there, oh, for a long time. They've been my enemies for a long time--
 
Q: Thirty years, huh?
 
LAROUCHE: More! Much more! The day I came back to the United States from service overseas, it was already on. It started with Truman. It started right after the day that Roosevelt died. We've been going--. The same people who brought Hitler to power, but who objected to Hitler, because he moved westward, before going eastward in Europe, they turned against him. And in that situation, Roosevelt was able to bring forces together, including building up the United States to defeat Hitler. We defeated Hitler. But, when he died, the same people who had objected to Hitler, because of {some} of his policies, went back into the same, old business. We were saved from this, by Eisenhower in the 1950s, who didn't do all the things we might have hoped he would have done. But he did prevent us from getting into a nuclear war. But, during the 1960s, we went in this direction. We've been going in this direction ever since: We've destroyed our economy. We used to have a fair trade economy, which would assure that industries that are essential, farms that are essential, would be protected, so they had a fair chance of making a living, and keeping the economy moving. If you look now, at our infrastructure and our industry, and compare what we have today, with what we had even under the bad conditions of the 1960s, we've {lost} it. We're {losing} it. And the time has come: Either we go back to what we were, or we're going to lose more than the United States. We're going to lose civilization.
 
Q: Well, there's nothing "fair" about the trade policies being used now - to dismantle what's left of the American middle class. It's a "fair treason" policy, as far as I'm concerned.
 
LAROUCHE: Well, it's large corporations which represent certain international financier interests. We're losing the independent small business--I don't mean the smallest one, I mean the high-tech--for example: We're losing our machine-tool sector. The heart of the U.S. economy, is the machine-tool sector. That's what's {real} in the automobile industry, what's {real} in--
 
Q: It {was}.
 
LAROUCHE: It's still there. If we save it--{if} we save it. We're at the last chance to save it. But, if we lose the machine-tool capability, which is largely concentrated, chiefly in the auto industry, and then, secondly in the aircraft industry, if we lose that, we've lost the economy: We become a nothing nation. It's one of the things we have to worry about. And I think we can, still. It's dangerous. We've got to get the guts to do it. We've got people in the Senate who are moving in that direction. We've got more people to understand this, and to move quickly in this direction. We don't have much time. We may have weeks--we may have little bit longer. We {don't} have much time. We've got to get our act together, and get back to what we were before.
 
Q: Do you see another 9/11 manipulation coming?
 
LAROUCHE: Oh, everything! Everything is that thing--there's a crowd, look, it's easy--of course, I've had some expertise in this area, through some decades of experience. No, running something like 9/11 is easy for these guys. You have a group, the so-called neo-cons, the spoon-benders--they're crazy; the people who are running a large part of our military, they're crazy. And they can, they have the capability, of setting up something like 9/11, making people believe that it came from the outside, when it came from the inside. This is what Hermann Goering did in February of 1933.
 
Q: Oh, that's one of the oldest tricks in the political playbook.
 
LAROUCHE: Yeah! But that's part of the problem. That you have financier groups, which control these kinds of capabilities, inside our own and the British government, chiefly, and they can orchestrate things like this, unless we stop them.
 
Q: What a horrible situation in the U.K. What a rotten bunch is over there as well.
 
LAROUCHE: Oh-ho! Like the real estate bubble!
 
Q: Yeah--back in just a minute with Lyndon LaRouche.... [station break] Okay, and we're back. Word came today that Sen. Harry Reid of Nevada, the Democratic Leader in the U.S. Senate, he will vote against the confirmation of Judge John G. Roberts, Jr., to be the 17th Chief Justice of the United States, in part, because he does not know enough about him. That's a strange position to be in, after all this time. Interesting. How do you see this Roberts debacle?
 
LAROUCHE: Well, it's a real problem, because Roberts is on the wrong side of the Constitution.
 
Q: Yeah, he's standing on it, with his boots!
 
LAROUCHE: Well, that's sort of like it. But the problem is, is that the Senate was caught off-guard, because of the many things that have been going on.
 
Q: But we're not paying them to be off-guard, Lyndon. That's my point.
 
LAROUCHE: Well, that's not the problem--
 
Q: Not paying them to sit around, and "get their gumption up," either.
 
LAROUCHE: Well, they do it fairly well.
 
Q: It isn't good enough in this day and age.
 
LAROUCHE: All right, if you allow an Executive branch of government and the House of Representatives to be dominated by this crew, that's the problem. As long as we have this Presidency in place, our Executive branch of government, we're in trouble.
 
Q: Yes, "crew" as in "coup."
 
LAROUCHE: That's right. Now, we have--the Senate is the one place, where there's some significant, efficient resistance. There're also people in the Congress that are efficiently resisting. But, the power does not exist in the House of Representatives. The power on this thing, exists in the Senate. In the Senate, we have a clear majority among Democrats, who are opposed to this nonsense. They are limited; they have their problems. Reid, of course, is one of the people who's more courageous. You have people among the Republicans, who are patriotic, whatever our disagreements with them as Democrats may be. They would act in the right direction.--
 
Q: Now, patriotism ends when blackmail begins. Bribery, corruption--pedophilia, homosexuality.
 
LAROUCHE: It's worse. It's worse. The problem is, the American people have been corrupted, particularly the lower 80% by being in a position where they feel that they've been out of government over the past decades, the past three decades.
 
Q: What do they do? They feel disenfranchised, I agree.
 
LAROUCHE: Right, so therefore, they don't participate in government. They don't know what they're doing, as citizens.
 
Q: And the smart people in many cases--excuse me, Lyndon, I must add this: The smart people in many cases, have realized how rotten that ship is, and they have gone the other direction. They don't want anything to do with. So, you've got two different forces pushing people away from government--[inaud] and ignorance.
 
LAROUCHE: Yeah, some of us are doing a good job--
 
Q: You are! I'm not saying there aren't. We all know that!
 
LAROUCHE: No, but I mean, this is also Reid. Take this case of Roberts: Roberts does not believe in the Constitution. The Constitution's intention is stated in the Preamble of the Constitution. The center of that, is what's called the Bill of Rights, essentially which is the General Welfare policy--to promote the General Welfare. Now, this crowd in the majority in the Supreme Court has not agreed with that. We've had the so-called "shareholder value" policy, which has dominated the Supreme Court. That is against our Constitution! This is as bad as we had back before Lincoln. So, Roberts represents a tendency, and he's made it very clear, which you might call him the "Confederacy tendency," because that's where he stands in terms of law. He should not be in the Supreme Court. We can not have a majority of the Supreme Court, in a time of crisis, which is not prepared to defend the rights of the American people, as provided under our Constitution. And this is the problem. We came in with this mess that's going on, many fights, and the push was, to push Roberts in, to sneak him in, and hope that we do nothing about it. Reid has recognized, and some others, that we have to fight this question. They're coming from behind. I'm supporting them fully on this thing--I agree with them totally. We have to raise this issue: Whether we win or lose, we must take a stand and say, "We're going to defend the Preamble of the Constitution on which this nation was founded." The Preamble of the Constitution is the {intention} of the Constitution! It is not an introduction to the Constitution. It is the {fundamental law} of the Constitution. And the right, to protect the General Welfare is the {essence} of the Constitution.
 
Q: And the so-called anti-hate laws, are as about as counter to the Founding Fathers, and their idea, their concept, their dream of this country, as anything I can imagine.
 
LAROUCHE: Oh, sure. But this is an international crowd, that's running this--
 
Q: Of course they are! You got it.
 
LAROUCHE: But, if we're alert, if we're alert, as some people in the Senate {are} alert now--
 
Q: That's why you folks need to get on the phone, now, and pressure your Congressmen and Senators about this, and you can see it at the top of Rense.com, and Lyndon LaRouche supports this. Anyone who doesn't support freedom of speech--look, if you disagree with someone, if you argue with someone, if you criticize someone, it doesn't mean you hate them, right? That's sort of the idea--it's called discourse.
 
LAROUCHE: It's called "reason"--the process of reason.
 
Q: Exactly.
 
LAROUCHE: The process of reason must be open. There must open debate, there must be open discussion.
 
Q: Not be afraid to look anywhere, at any time, in terms of any issue, that is of our interest or the public interest. Nothing should be a sacred cow.
 
LAROUCHE: That's it! That's our system of government. [overtalk]
 
Q: When we get special interest groups coming in here, and trying to rewrite, reshape, and reformulate the way this country functions, it's time to throw them out. We either take this country back, or we just roll over and let them plant daisies.
 
LAROUCHE: Well, if we don't take it back in our country, I can tell you, there's no part of the world that's capable of doing it. The responsibility lies with us, right here, in the United States, {right now}.
 
Q: And yet watch, Lyndon, and you have watched, and the people at the Executive Intelligence Review have watched, how this moron, this clown is pranced about in front of us--talk about mis-direction?
 
LAROUCHE: [laughs] I watch this guy--he gives a speech. He's looking at a teleprompter, and he's standing there, and his mouth is operating and the words are coming out; and this poor guy is sitting there being amazed at the words he sees coming out of his own mouth--
 
Q: You know, I think you're right. Interesting. If he still have a spark of consciousness left, he is.
 
LAROUCHE: This guy's a dry drunk. And he's in trouble. But the problem is, they put an incompetent like him in there, who's a fanatic. He's a fanatical incompetent, he's easily manipulated. And this manipulated dummy, is in there, and he's being manipulated by forces behind the scenes, and Cheney is simply typical of what's controlling him. He doesn't know what's going on! I mean, this guy's on vacation most of the time!
 
Q: Yeah, right, he's on vacation all the time, Lyn.
LAROUCHE: {We allow this thing to go on. We allowed it.} We allowed this foolishness to occur. Now we see it--
 
Q: By our silence, we allow. Right?
 
LAROUCHE: By being cowardly we allowed it. I know. I was there. I watched the cowardice. Now, finally, I've got a bunch of people in the Senate and elsewhere, who are getting up on their hind legs and fighting. I'm happy about that. But, I'm not happy about the fact that it took so long to get this thing started.
 
Q: Well, we wait till 11:59, and counting. By the way, let me remind everyone, that there is a toll free number, 1-800-929-7566, that you can call for free information from the LaRouche organization: 800-929-7566. And the website is, http://www.larouchepac.com [spells it out]. And you can click on Lyn's name and go right there, now. But the phone number for free information 800-929-7566. Got just about two minutes left, Lyn. I'll let you have the floor.
 
LAROUCHE: Well, I'm an optimist. I'm not a fool, but I'm an optimist, I think we can win. And I've been working at it--here I am, I've celebrated my 83rd birthday, and I'm lucky. I'm in good condition, and--
 
Q: Well, you're wonderful. And you've done more, I think, in your time on this planet, than most anyone else I can think of, to try to make a change, to make a difference. And you've paid a heavy price for it.
 
LAROUCHE: Well, anyway. I enjoy it, because you have only one life, and you might as well get the fullness of enjoyment of it, while you have it.--
 
Q: Well, indeed, and happy birthday, by the way.
 
LAROUCHE: Thank you. So, I work about 16-17 hours a day. And I've been hard at it today, which is why I was late in getting to the phone. I was just knocked out, from exhaustion. But, I'm satisfied with what we're doing. I'm not satisfied with the result we're getting--it's not adequate, but I'm pleased with what I'm doing. I'm doing the right thing. And I get more people joining me all the time. So, I'm optimistic about our country. I think we're going to win. I can't guarantee it.
 
Q: You have extraordinary respect around the world, Lyn. And what are you hearing from your friends around the world, about this country?
 
LAROUCHE: Well, we had a little good luck. My wife, of course, is running for Chancellor in Germany. She didn't win the election, but she helped to change the policies of a number of forces in Germany, so we now have a chance, in Germany, of coming out of this mess alive. We defeated the worst threat--that's been defeated in Germany. It's important, because Germany's a pivotal country for the United States. Because if the United States and Germany can work together on this one, we have the forces needed to get out of this mess.
 
Q: Thanks for the time, Lyn. I know you're extremely busy. I appreciate it--it's always a pleasure to hear your views. Thank you.
 
LAROUCHE: Okay, thanks. Good night.
 
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