- In response to:
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- Satan Displays Bush 'Hook 'em' Hand Gesture; Is The Devil
a UT Fan Too? http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2005/210105devilhand.htm
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- Norwegians Confused by Bush Salute http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=431141
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- Hyper-Over-Reaction to the "Satanic Hand Signal"
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- By Renegade Patriot
January 22, 2005
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- AMERIKA -- I have seen people
reacting to the "horns" hand sign before now, but since it appears
to be getting a bit "out of hand", I wanted to add my own "two
sense".
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- I'll be the first to admit, I see the potential for conspiracy
everywhere, especially after spending the past 3-plus years of my life
researching almost daily what has been orchestrated across the globe, past
and present, for hundreds of years at least. At one time, I had no idea
why the world works the way it does, and why things happen when they do.
Now I know, and I almost wish I didn't. It's almost crystal clear to me,
the whos, the whys, the hows, and I almost have a grasp on the ultimate
goals.
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- But seriously, folks, we can get carried away with this
stuff. We can't let the paranoia rule us, even if it's a well-founded paranoia
most of the time.
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- First of all, I'm sure the Satanic gesture is a possible
explanation for some cultures, groups and individuals, the children of
the Illuminati, and especially for thrash metal head-bangers, who really
have little clue as to its truest meaning. Satanism and evil are romantic
to them, while in the everyday world they're usually among the nicest people
you'll ever meet.
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- Second, we already have the Texas "Hook 'em, Horns!"
explanation, which probably covers at least a large number of the Bush
family's gestures that have been captured. People tend to make a habit
out of such things when they're continuously immersed in its influence,
and might tend to use a gesture even outside its original context. You
get used to doing something that's supposedly "cool", and the
coolness carries a meaning all its own. The gesture could merely be expanding
beyond it's original limits.
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- Third, in Hawaii the same gesture pointed forward, and
waggled a bit, means "Hang Loose", a friendly signal of commeraderie
among the locals, which I've noticed tends to stick in the minds of the
tourists even after they go home. And since rich people tend to visit Hawaii
often, well, you can extrapolate from there.
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- Yes, the Satanic form of the symbol is certainly used
by some people with dark intent, but they would almost definitely use the
left hand every time, if they were serious about it. And would the children
of the Illuminati use it so often in public, for "secret" communication,
when its ancient Satanic connection is this well known? Not a very secret
signal for the most successfully secretive society on Earth, is it?
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- Images where someone did use the left hand, like Amy
Grant, are likely just due to them being left-handed, or because that was
their free hand in that moment, and they may have no clue that the Satanic
version even exists. These pop culture gestures "pop" up all
the time, just like Saturday Night Live catch phrases. They spread, and
they evolve, and the more complex ones are rarely repeated exactly the
same way every time. A vast number of those keeping some new gesture or
phrase alive even know where it first came from, and many of them guess
what it means, using nothing more than the context. I would imagine a hand
gesture with several possible variations would see all those variations
used... thumb under, thumb over, thumb out, fingers pointed up, pointed
forward, pointed left or right. People aren't computers, so they'll just
use the gesture the way they first saw it, or they way they thought they
saw it, never knowing or thinking there might be some exact thumb position
to differentiate it from some other gesture they never knew about.
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- And as uneducated about history as they are, the average
American could easily be ignorant of the gesture's ancient cousin. (Shhh,
I'm trying to be nice, here.) I'm personally convinced that 99 out of 100
of these gestures are of the "Hang Loose" and head-banger variety,
at least when not in Texas. Between the Longhorns and the Hawaiians, this
is just another pop iconic fad that'll pass within a decade. Except in
Hawaii and Texas.
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- Then when we see it still used by the "elite",
and ONLY by the "elite", we'll know what it really means to them.
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- Comment
- From Sam L.
- 1-23-5
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- Dear Mr. Renegade,
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- You are wrong about the Hawaiian gesture. The hang loose
gesture has the thumb and pinky fingers pointing away from each other and
the other three fingers curled in toward the palm. The football team I
have no idea about and care even less. The one gesture that may be confused
with the satanic one is the International Sign Language gesture for "I
love you" is the pinky, index finger and thumb extended and the two
others curled in toward the palm.
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- I hope you do correct yourself quickly.
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- You are welcome,
Sam L.
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- CLARIFICATION
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- From Renegade Patriot/Chronopilot
1-23-5
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- Dear Jeff,
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- In my first commentary, I hadn't realized that two of
my statements could have been read the wrong way. I'd like to apologize
to your readers for the lack of clarity on the following two points:
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- To quote myself:
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- "First of all, I'm sure the Satanic gesture is a
possible explanation for some cultures, groups and individuals, the children
of the Illuminati, and especially for thrash metal head-bangers, who really
have little clue as to its truest meaning. Satanism and evil are romantic
to them, while in the everyday world they're usually among the nicest people
you'll ever meet."
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- The last sentence referred ONLY to the head-bangers,
not the Illuminati. Please pardon the grammatical goof.
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- Another self-quote:
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- "Third, in Hawaii the same gesture pointed forward,
and waggled a bit, means "Hang Loose"
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- I should have written "a similar gesture",
not "the same gesture", since the index finger isn't used in
the Hawaiian version. I've been to Hawaii twice, and should have remembered
that detail. This was reminded to me by a slightly rude, but correct individual.
Yes, I know a raised pinkie isn't The Bird, but with the relative complexity
of the gesture in question, it's still just a slight variation to the culturally
uneducated American population, and the point remains valid as far as I
can see.
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- And that point is, we're talking about a huge population
of people, with various levels of education, intra-cultural experiences
and personal differences in how accurate they bother to be when mimicking
others. When millions of people copy a gesture or phrase, it can easily
become varied over the course of time (usually just a few years), and those
variations can even take on different meanings entirely. Language does
this naturally all the time, and yes, this gesture is considered language.
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- Two gestures or phrases can also be independently developed
for different meanings, and still look (or sound) very similar. But on
todays interconnected planet, I doubt these two gestures could have had
nothing to do with each other at any point in history. It's possible, but
not probable.
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- The youth who flash the horned sign undoubtedly have
an entirely different idea in mind, or to put a finer point on it, a vast
schizm in the depth and sobriety of its meaning than when the "Elite"
use the same gesture. The youth romanticize its meaning. The Elite are
deadly serious about it. I doubt the youth understand how serious others
have taken this hand sign in the past, and the present.
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- One last point I'd like to add is that if the Conspiracy
Planet article posted AFTER I sent my commentary (thank you very much,
Mac'ophile Irrelevento Getajobyagit) is correct, then whenever we see an
"Elite" flashing this gesture, we might be facing a universal
Illuminati acknowledgement that some serious global plan is about to kick
into action.
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- Yes, I imagine that might include the Bushes, too, though
I don't tend to give them much credence for being on the inside of the
Illuminati fold. They're likely only puppets, to be stepped on as the Thirteen
Families wipe their feet on the world.
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- So no, I was never saying the Elites meant nothing by
this gesture. I was merely pointing out that not every stillframe of every
person who ever flashed this sign is advocating global Satanism, nor are
they in on the Illuminati plans for world domination and the return of
Molech. Those plans are reserved only for a few.
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- My advice? Ignore the youth who use this gesture so casually,
and instead watch the "Elite"... the Thirteen Families and their
cohorts... they are the key to its darkest ancient meaning.
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- -- Renegade Patriot
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- "Are we there yet?"
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- Comment
James Neff
1-23-4
All of this is remarkably silly. In most cases of a photo frozen in time,
one hasn't a clue what a person's fingers were doing a second before and
second after the image is snapped. Many people waive with two or more relaxed
fingers! And with the extended thumb, it is the internationally recognized
Deaf sign for "love," and in Texas it's just an old tradition
for the Longhorns. Today it is widely used by teens to mean "long
live rock," as a sign or salute.
 Ronnie Dio (briefly lead singer with Black Sabbath) who
has made ample use of blatantly Satanic imagery in his career as a heavy
metal lead vocalist, was asked about using the sign on VH1, as he is credited
with its becoming popular among heavy metal (and now most hard rock) fans.
Dio denied that it was Satanic in any way, and said his grandmother "from
the old country" taught him the sign. According to Dio the sign is
for "protection and good fortune" unless it is turned and pointed
at someone, "then it's a hex, and you spit." Such things are
common among older European societies along with a myriad of other strange
superstitions. It's no more "Satanic" than throwing salt over
your shoulder and knocking on wood.
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 Rea Pearlman, who played "Carla" on "Cheers"
in many episodes (and oddly enough, looks a lot like Dio!) uses the same
"hex" from the "old country" to ward off bad luck.
'Principal Vernon' in the popular 80s movie "The Breakfast Club"
counts on his hand in typical "coach" style to indicate to one
of the characters that he had him for two weeks of detention. Instead of
using his index and next finger to make a "two" sign, like most
people, Vernon displays the more 'macho' method of counting on his fingers.
Was this just another moment of Satanic praise and worship? Balonie!
We have too many people looking for Satan and Satanism in all the wrong
places.
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- Comment
- From Mark
- 1-24-5
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- (Mark is a sign language interpreter-teacher at a school
for the deaf.)
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- ONCE AND FOR ALL!.....
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- There has been a torrent of controversy over the repeated
use by George W. Bush of a two finger gesture (index / little finger) many
times during the course of the 2005 Inauguration.
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- Some say it's simply the rallying gesture of the University
of Texas Longhorns. Others claim that it's the hand gesture shared by
those involved in Satanic secret societies.
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- IT'S TIME TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT!
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- Take it from a 35 year Sign Language interpreter. What
you are seeing (index finger / little finger pointed slightly upward) is
an old American Sign Language gesture denoting a degree of truth - a style
of presentation - a depth of sincerity.
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- In offering the gesture, George W. Bush was simply sharing
the contents of his message in a way that would be clearly understood
by the deaf and hearing impaired.
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- It's the old American Sign Language sign for
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- "bullshit".
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- Case closed.
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- Mark
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- Comment
- From Joan
- 1-24-5
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- That sign is also done facetiously by people imitating
rock fans who use the signal to mean "rock on".
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- I had never even *heard* that it was a 'satanic' salute
until a couple years ago. To me, it was always just something used by people
at rock concerts to indicate "keep on rocking".
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