- On ABC's NIGHTLINE, May 13th: The program discussed the
existence of super-secret CIA prison systems overseas. This subject is
classified and the fact that all of this is secret is classified as top-secret.
And the reason for these classifications being secret is of course secret
as well.
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- The inmates in these American Gulags are to all intents
and purposes just 'disappeared people.' "The CIA's secret prisons,
established after 911 are unprecedented in American history. They operate
entirely outside the US judicial system, according to a set of rules approved
by the Justice Department. But like everything else about the CIA's prisons,
even the rules are top secret."
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- "The prisoners being held within these foreign prisons,
believed to be operating inside US military bases on foreign soil, are
classified as HVD's or High Value Detainees. They consist of a who's who
of Al Qaeda leaders, and are perhaps as many as twenty people." Some
are known characters, but most are not household names, and some are known
only to the CIA. "There are no plans to prosecute them officials say
and they could be held in secret indefinitely, even though their usefulness
as sources of intelligence quickly dries up."
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- According to a spokesperson for Human Rights Watch: "These
are people who have not only been placed beyond the law; in this case,
they are even a sort of future step beyond those who have already been
placed 'beyond the law.' Such as those now held in Guantanimo. It's a system
that invites abuse."
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- ABC: "These men are not accorded Geneva Convention
Rights, there are no Red Cross inspections, no notification to families,
no access to lawyers or to any legal systems. There is no public oversight
of their treatment. There is no acknowledgment in fact that these men even
exist."
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- The US is seeking the gain of intelligence information
at the expense of long term credibility for our entire national standing
on the planet. This is not the image that we continue to try to force down
the collective throat of the entire world that concerns our law-abiding
nature and the transparency of our system of laws and justice. In effect
we are saying to the world 'do as we say, and not as we do.' And we justify
this because this is something "special" because "There's
a WAR on!" If this nation loses its principles the minute it becomes
convenient, then there were never any real principles to be observed in
the first place. So what are Bush and his Bandits playing at here?
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- 'When CIA took charge of this worldwide operation immediately
after 911, their priority was information and not prosecution. The point
was to by-pass the checks and balances of the traditional justice system.'
Bush sought to carve out a special category, just as he tried to carve
out a special status for those captured in Afghanistan. How many more special
categories will there be before you or your loved ones fall into one his
black holes?
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- Bush justified this outrageous behavior by claiming that
he needed to by-pass the criminal laws and court systems of the USA, because
we were at war. But then he refused to list those we captured as Prisoner's
of War: choosing instead to create a whole new category of detained persons
without any status whatever, and these he calls "enemy combatants."
Yet to create an entirely new classification for a traditionally recognized
aspect of war and conflict carries with it the need to define the reasons
and the point behind that classification this he has refused to do.
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- Bush took this extreme step, he says, in response to
the horror of the acts of 911. This might have been somewhat believable
had he also made an equal and as determined an effort to fully investigate
what happened on that day here in the USA. He did not do that either. In
fact for almost 3 years Bush & the Bandits have stonewalled all attempts
to discover what happened here, and who exactly might have been derelict
in their duties on that day. This was on his watch, and he, as president,
is directly responsible for every life lost during those attacks. Yet he
has not listened to the survivors, the victim's families, or to any of
those who want to know what happened and who want to see those responsible
punished accordingly for their actions or inactions including the
president, on that day.
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- After 911 the government says that it moved quickly to
"defend the country" and that this CIA prison system is part
of the effort "to win the war on terror." Yet there are many
ways to "defend the country" beyond bombing foreign nations back
to the Stone Age and none of those other methods were explored. If
the Cheney-Bush Cabal were remotely serious about anything that 911 created
for this country and the world: they would have raced to discover every
knowable fact behind the events of that day, and they would have done this
first and immediately. They did none of this and are still trying to block
any knowledge of who did what, when, why, or how! The ringing question
militarily should have been 'Where were the US military fighter aircraft
that should have interrupted the hijackers immediately after that first
plane hit the first tower?' No answer so far, and none will likely ever
surface until we get to an impeachment hearing.
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- We must never forget that US government complicity had
to have been a part of all that death on 911 why else is this government
so reluctant to allow an investigation into the facts? The hijackers had
to have been assisted by insiders here, in order to pull off anything as
far reaching as those attacks obviously were. Instead of that, when Bush
emerged from cowering in Iowa, he almost immediately blamed the Arabs.
Citing the weighty "evidence" of supposed intelligence to that
effect, and nobody even questioned that. He was after all the President,
at least nominally, but his words have over the last nearly four years
come to always mean something other than the truth. Too late we have learned
that having the "word" of George W. Bush on anything, is not
only worthless, the exact opposite of whatever he says is probably true.
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- We have to return to the Constitutional Democracy that
we claim to be, because if we do not, then how are we different from Stalin's
Russia, Hitler's Germany, or Saddam's Iraq? There are real limits beyond
which no free society can go, at least not if that society intends to remain
transparently free or democratic.
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- Bush and his CIA see these foreign prison systems as
a part of "staying the course."
- The rest of us see them as the beginning of a totalitarian
or a fascist state that is beyond the bounds of any control, by the very
people it professes to represent.
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- This government has assured the few individuals with
oversight for these CIA prisons that "all US and international laws
are being observed within the prison system they established." Why
then are these prisons secret? Why is the secret of the prisons also classified
as top-secret?
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- The effect of these detentions without any form of 'status'
for those that are detained creates a group of people that no longer officially
exist-anywhere. Today the "need" is to restrict "terrorists"
but tomorrow it could be anyone of us, and no one would ever know what
happened to anyone they seize. Does that sound like it comports with US
or International law?
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- In all of this, the oversight process has failed utterly.
Congress has failed the public in their duty to faithfully enforce the
public's right to know what the hell is going on here and that "it's
a war" thing just won't cut it anymore! Congress sold out the people,
the courts have failed us as well, and the entire administration from Offense,
Defense, State and Justice all of them are complicit in their failure
to protect us, from them. Terrorists are one thing, but this internal chaos
cannot continue.
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- The public needs real answers and all we are given are
huge helpings of lots more lies. The costs of these colossal failures at
every level of this government, is off the charts in terms of human lives,
national treasure, and the societal direction that this country was embarked
upon. This has continued throughout two wars, and over three years time.
It's way past time for this obscenity to end.
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- The blood-stained history that has been written here,
will mark us all, as co-conspirators, in what shall come to be seen as
the most hated American administration in the entire history of these United
States.
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- If we do not demand accountability from all of those
responsible for the slaughter of so many lives, for the waste of treasure,
and for the continuing lawlessness that this nation is practicing upon
the global stage: Then we shall have condoned the actions of these few
that have sought to alter not only the direction of this country, but of
the world community as well.
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- And none of this will remain a secret no matter how many
stamps they use to classify these hideous crimes against anyone that disagrees
with them!
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- kirwan
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- Comment
- From Ted Twietmeyer
- tedtw@frontiernet.net
- 5-16-4
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- Jeff -
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- What constitutes Freedom ? Who are we as Americans ?
Are we to SHUT UP and SIT DOWN ? Are we to be DOORMATS ? Secrets are more
often the enemy of freedom, and not our friend. After the SICK goings-on
in Iraq engaging in every carnal act and staging a sick, twisted execution
people should not be upset, EVERYONE SHOULD BE DOWNRIGHT ANGRY BY NOW.
No, people still sit around sucking on their thumbs, whining.
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- A few days on a short vacation in Virginia, I visited
the church where Patrick Henry gave his famous speech, and sat in the pew
again where he did. We listened to the authentically dressed Marine guide
of that era. They had Marines in Patrick Henry's time, too. The tour guide
is also a real, retired marine officer and very, very knowledgeable in
all aspects of American history.
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- We sat and listened to him speak in detail about the
events of Patrick Henry's famous day, and how 130 men were present. I pondered
the many great men and women that have spoken out here on rense.com and
other websites dedicated to truth and freedom. Tears began to well up in
me, and as myself, my wife and mother were the ONLY people there that day.
I struggled to keep my tears in.
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- How many emails and lectures from well-meaning friends
have many of us had, to SHUT UP and SIT DOWN and "don't make waves
?" How many times have we been warned "these are sick and powerful
people and they will shut you up." I just received such an email from
a friend today. Sad to say, a former serviceman.
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- In most cases with secrets are used to hide an evil deed,
operation, device or plan. America has been properly brainwashed using
old techniques that date back to Hitler's time. He mastered them, and Operation
Paperclip brought them all here. Most people only think Paperclip was related
to atomic and rocket technology, because that's all that was ever talked
about.
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- For more than 60 YEARS governments have known how to
manipulate people, to instill fear and to be docile and pliable. Its high
time for Americans everywhere to GET UP OUT OF THE BOX and realize what's
happening outside. The sick behavior in Iraq, now known opening in mainstream
media to be sanctioned by Rumsfeld himself should speak VOLUMES to Americans
about the sheep we have become.
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- Just how much time do people think we have, to stay asleep
? Do we need to have secret prisons in america too, in addition to the
300+ POW camp list already public as well ? THIS WILL HAPPEN if people
choose to remain dumb, blind and stupid with the word "WELCOME"
written on their backs.
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- Ted
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