When asked how an animal can consent to sex, she
said, "It sounds like [your question] is an attempt to make this so
narrow and so unintellectual in its focus. You know, Peter Singer is an
intellectual, and he looks at all nuances of an issue, the whole concept
of consent with animals is very different."
- Singer bases his argument on the fact that bestiality
has always existed in the world, and therefore it must be normal. (Alcohol
and drugs have always existed. Does that mean we should encourage them
also?) He cited six pictures over a 2500-year period to show that this
is "normal" behavior. He cites the discredited Alfred Kinsey
for the ridiculous statement that over 50% of rural boys in America had
sex with animals.
- It's interesting to note that he agrees with Dr. Koop
and Dr. Schaeffer that only Judeo-Christian values stop us from embracing
his vision. He blames our problems on that tradition that he says teaches,
"Humans alone are made in the image of God." He writes that under
this tradition, "Only human beings have an immortal soul. In Genesis,
God gives humans dominion over the animals. In the Renaissance idea of
the Great Chain of Being, humans are halfway between the beasts and the
angels. We are spiritual beings as well as physical beings." He believes
that all of those teachings are wrong.
- Singer recounts that all the taboos about sex have fallen
except for those with animals. He says that bestiality is fine as long
as you do not hurt the animal. Therefore, he cautions against sex with
chickens because, he says, it always results in the death of the chicken.
- Many will still giggle and say that this does not mean
that Singer's beliefs are mainstream ideas. But the professor has not been
in a dark closet at Princeton for the last thirty years. They just hired
him last year for this prominent position after all of his views were well
known. In addition, those of us who were around in 1973, when homosexuality
was removed from the "disorder" list by the American Psychiatric
Association, can remember the many claims made at that time which have
proven to be false.
- The article by Prof. Singer, which is titled "Heavy
Petting," may be found at www.nerve.com.
- Man/Boy Sex Is Fine
- MassNews was one of the first newspapers in the country
to report in 1999 that the American Psychological Association had published
a study indicating that pedophilia can have a positive influence on a child.
- According to the study, the use of "judgmental terms"
such as "child abuse," "molestation" and "victims"
must be eliminated. Instead, we should use neutral, value-free terms like
"adult-child sex." We should not talk about the "severity
of the abuse," but instead refer to "the level of sexual intimacy."
- As a result of our efforts and a four-page report we
mailed to residents in Newton, the leaders of that city responded with
a rally against "hate mail." It was in reality a "hate MassNews"
rally with all of the political leaders, teachers and homosexual activists
- We had only an Internet site at that time, but it was
apparent after the Newton "hate" rally that we would be totally
silenced by all the media unless we also published a print newspaper, which
we have now done for two years.
- In addition, we revealed at that time that the American
Psychiatric Association was getting ready to support the "normalization"
of sex with children. It had very quietly changed its Diagnostic Manual
so that a person no longer has a "disorder" simply because he
molests children. To be diagnosed as "disordered," the psychiatrists
now look to the psyche of the adult. If the adult does not feel anxious
about the relationship with the child or if the adult is not impaired in
his work or social relationships, then he has no "disorder."
- Aside from the Newton rally, which resulted from our
pamphlet about pedophilia, the following events have taken place.
- * November 1999. A gay organization
in Boston, BAGLY, offers $25, plus free dinner and subway tokens, to boys
who will come to their headquarters and discuss homosexual sex and other
issues. The boys are alsoinvited to a free, three-day, lakeside, weekend
retreat in New Hampshire withother "boys" up to 25-years-old
who are "attracted to or have sex with othermen." None of the
politicians or media are interested in this story - eventhough the organization
receives money from the state and works closely withthe public schools.
- * March-April 2000. Channel
2 airs a program about a "romance"between a 29-year-old man and
a 15-year-old boy which showed in graphic detail all of the nude scenes
between them. It stated that the romance thrilled allof England and caused
everyone to realize the "benefits" of sex between menand boys.
- * March 2000. The Fistgate
conference gives graphic instruction to teenagers on the practice of homosexual
sex. This was done in sessions which mingled youth from 12-years-old to
21-years-old. It was sponsored by the homosexual organization, GLSEN, and
the Department of Education. Complaints were made to Gov. Cellucci and
his staff, but they ignored it until some parents went to Massachusetts
News which printed the story in May and shocked the state.
- * May 2000. A Massachusetts
judge, Allan van Gestel, is not outraged with the unlawful teachings at
Fistgate but with the parents who exposed what happened there. He imposes
an unconstitutional gag order against everyone, which he lifts after the
national press ridicules him. But he leaves the order in place against
the two parents who have no money or power. It is expected that their legal
fees will be in excess of $200,000 as the result of the action of Judge
- * May 2000. An Editorial
in the Boston Globe says that what was discussed at Fistgate were "the
sorts of things teenagers ask every day." The Globe said this even
though "fisting" was discussed in detail at the conference, as
well as the following: "Do lesbians rub their clits together?"
"Should you spit after you suck another boy or man?" "Is
oral sex better with tongue rings?"
- * July 6, 2000. The "At
Home" section of the Boston Globe publishes an article which advised
mothers to teach their children "the mechanics of sex," including
homosexual sex, when their children are in fifth or sixth grade. They were
told to expect 10- and 11-year-olds to ask, "What do gay men/lesbians
do?" The parents were advised by the Globe to respond, "There
are different ways people give each other pleasure, sometimes genital to
genital, sometimes hand or mouth to genital."
- * November 2000. When the
homosexuals who sponsored Fistgate had a three-day fundraiser at the Sheraton
in Braintree, with people arriving from across the country, there was a
"meat market auction" on Friday with "beef, pork, chicken
and sausage" for sale. The Saturday night affair was "A Return
to the Chicken Ranch." In homosexual circles, the term "chicken"
refers to young boys.
- * Throughout 2000. After
the U.S. Supreme Court held that the Boy Scouts can refuse to allow a homosexual
to be a leader of boys, much of the establishment in the state, including
some schools, two of the largest United Ways and other groups, terminate
their relations with the Scouts. The elite do not demand that the Girl
Scouts allow heterosexual men to be leaders of teenage girls, only that
homosexual men be allowed to lead boys.
- * May 2001. Boston Magazine
has a long, two-part story about the North American Man/Boy Love Association
which was very empathetic. It gave the impression that man/boy love is
dead and no one need worry about it anymore. The story presented the members
it interviewed as very nice people who were only doing good in the world.
This was written despite a "Fact Sheet" from the American Psychiatric
Association which says, "Some [pedophiles] develop complicated techniques
for gaining access to children. They may select a job, hobby or volunteer
work that brings them into contact with children." It's difficult
to understand why the elite in our state do not want to give any protection
to young boys. http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/bless/diversity.htm _____
- Now, my comments...
- We have been discussing children the past few days in
the group. What was posted angered and disgusted me. The government sings
in the choir of we need to protect the children - and we are now seeing
exactly how they want to accomplish that: by taking them away from us on
unfounded reports from people who cannot keep their noses out of other
- And now comes thisgarbage. One particular line in this
article made me so incredibly angry that I am literally sick to my stomach:
"American Psychological Association has published a study indicating
that pedophilia can have a 'positive influence' on a child." I can
tell you from experience as a victim of child sexual abuse how 'positive'
it is. I can tell you of the crushing weight of shame and guilt you carry
throughout your life. I can tell you how every single aspect of your life
and your relationships are affected by sexual abuse. I can tell you about
the many years it has taken to get past a lot of the negative outcomes
of sexual abuse. Yes, I could tell you about many things.
- Please, allow me to be angry here. I need to let this
out. It's stories like this one that makes me wonder what would be so wrong
with going after these people. To "make sure" they never have
the chance to put their deviant behavior into practice. Some of you may
know first-hand the enormous damage it causes a child and how it carries
on into adulthood. For those of you who do not, then please thank God for
that. You never want to know.
- I was telling my wife that it is too bad that there isn't
a group of people who would go around and take people like this out. To
dispose of this garbage. It takes a lot to elicit a hate response from
me but these people and everyone one like succeed in doing so. Hate is
not a good feeling, but damn if I have it in me not to hate them. My life
is not as it should or could have been. I know many others who were victims
and they suffer for it as I do. Never is the question 'why?' far from our
minds. Such a simple question, but impossible to answer.
- The 'positive' influence of sexual abuse? I can offer
you just a few examples. I knew a woman who's arms were covered with deep
burns from her putting cigarettes out on herself. I Knew a woman who plucked
all her hair out from her head, eyebrows, arms, and pubic area. I Knew
a guy who stabbed himself in the stomach with a seven inch hunting knife
and sawed upwards with it. He finally killed himself by hanging. I knew
a woman who mutilated her vagina because she never wanted to be touched
there again. She wanted to make it look ugly so no one would ever try.
I knew many others, but those are the ones I remember the most vividly.
Me? I was a cutter. My left arm has many scars on it. They are an embarrassment
to me. If you ever met me, you might notice I take the time to try to conceal
my left wrist. At the same time I wear them proudly, because they represent
that I did survive from the hell I went through.
- Haven't done any cutting since the very early 90's. I'm
past that nonsense now and have come to terms with myself and what happened
to me. I met the people above in group therapy for sexual abuse survivors.
Some had it much worse than me, some less, but no one I have ever met came
away from abuse with a "positive" influence. NO ONE. We will
always carry what happened with us. Sometimes the weight grows tiresome,
but I will never let it drag me down. It came close a few times, though.
We've seen the recent story about the little seven year old girl in San
Diego, California who was abducted from her bedroom. Yesterday, it was
announced police had found a child's burned body about 30 miles from her
home. They arrested the neighbor shortly before the discovery. Didn't he
look like a nice guy? They always do. His friend said he was too nice to
do something like that.
- They always are. I'm pretty sure Liberalfornia (or Californication,
take your pick) doesn't have the death penalty. Too bad. Let me have the
son of a bitch. Let a group of us have him. He would live a long time.
He would suffer during that time, too. Very much so. I cried for that little
girl. I have three girls and don't know what I would do if something like
that happened to one of them. She was killed. She didn't get the chance
to survive abuse. I did, but I sometimes wonder exactly what did I survive.
Still trying to figure that one out.
- I didn't feel comfortable telling you all this. Not at
all. It's the shame. Always with me. Something told me to counter this
heinous total lie that these people are trying to spread with personal
testimony. The sexual violation and abuse of children will NEVER be a 'positive'
influence. God, I ask you, what has happened to this world???
- God Bless All The Little Children
- From Edward O'Finnegan
- Dear Jack,
- I feel I must weigh in on this. As uncomfortable a subject
as it is. My sorrow for Jack, and all Jill's...I wish I could help you.
- Things have become confused, and not recently. Things
that are different are looked at as the same. I have nothing to say on
bestiality other then eww. Best word I can find isn't a word at all, just
- Jack, this isn't comfortable for me either. So, I will
try to be candid with you. For the record I was around 16 and coming out
as gay, to accept myself again. I say 'again' because I accepted myself
at first when puberty hit and I figured out I was gay. It wasn't until
I started paying attention to how other people viewed 'Homos' that I jumped
into the closet. And also for the record: no, I wasn't abused or molested,
I was still virgin at 16. (did I just type that? ;). I feel it's genetic
and have always felt 'different'.
- Anyways, the short of it is, at 16, I was more then ready
to explore new territories. So, yes, the 25 year old guy was hunting for
chicken - but so was I hunting for hawk. Now I'm 27 (no, no 17 year old
boyfriend). I wasn't harmed during or by those interactions, non of them
were against my will. I've come to put them in a somewhat Greek frame of
mind. I needed an 'older' male role model. I learned a lot about life in
general from my older friends. They helped prepare me for the world in
no small measure.
- Sure, a 'Big Brother' could have filled some of the role.
But to be perfectly candid, I needed the sex experience as well. I am human
and have learned to be if not outspoken on a daily basis, at least comfortable
with my own sexuality.
- When teenagers hit puberty parents shouldn't "stick
your head in the ground" by telling them to 'go to their room and
wait'. Rooms have windows. We all seek mentors and role models. Teenagers
in general though need to interact with people.
- Society and government place immense pressure on parents
to maintain control of children through puberty, not all of it is realistic.
At 17 a 'child' is very cognizant and past ready to explore outside the
nest. When the nest says don't do something that your biology is saying
you are going to do as soon as you can - it's now wonder they fly the coop
as it where. Parents are fighting human nature, and wondering why it feels
like their swimming upstream sometimes. When society forces a class underground
(we can't meet openly in schools and such), this creates not only a social
but also a information vacuum.
- So, at this point I will insert that troublesome statement
from the American Psychological Association: "..pedophilia can have
a 'positive influence' on a child.' My first response is to recoil. On
second examination, I can't help but ask how they defined 'child' and 'pedophilia'.
I mean; does 'child' denote anyone under legal the age of 18, consensual
and not? 'Pedophilia' the act of physical sexual contact of any said 'child'?
Are they saying there are some aloof benefits of being raped? Or that a
16 year old and a 24 year old in consensual close friendship maybe (just
possibly) helpful to the youths (and 20 something's) growth? I'm not sure
what they meant but I can only comment on how I read it.
- My point is this, we should not lump all this together.
That is not reality. The sick [reader note:insert profanities] that destroys
a child's life, invades their space, wounds their soul so deeply that the
child wants to organize mobile lynch mobs/hit squads (a thought worth pondering
maybe?) and their victims, are living a totally different reality then
the searching teenager and his/her older sexual role models.
- Parents must arm their 'children' with the worldly info
and safer sex instructions they need to survive in this dangerous world
today. Information is the key to them being able to make informed decisions.
From my personal experience and observations though, parents haven't a
clue to begin with.
- Jack, you were kind and concerned enough to share your
personal experience with us. Thank you. I wanted to do the same. I do not
argue with you, on many levels I echo your feelings. I just want people
to be aware that the APA quote could cover a large range of subject. People
should be aware that we as teenagers (remember??), look for these encounters
at a point in our puberty. It is a natural part of the cycle. We all need
mentors and role models. We need each other.
- From Kathy Guillermo
PETA People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals
- The reprinted editorial from the Massachusetts News ("It's
Official: 'Diversity' Includes Sex With Children and Sex With Animals")
contains false statements about People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals
(PETA). PETA does not, and has never, condoned bestiality. PETA opposes
all cruelty and trauma to animals, whether sexual, physical or psychological.
We have even provided professional opinions to assist district attorneys
prosecuting people who have harmed animals in this way. Statements by
PETA president Ingrid Newkirk were taken completely out of context (and
Massachusetts News did not even interview Ms. Newkirk, but took the statements
second hand from another source) and twisted them to mean something they
- Nor, despite the malicious misinterpretations of others,
was Dr. Peter Singer advocating bestiality is his review of a book on the
subject. As always, Dr. Singer is concerned with showing that animals and
humans share many traits, including the capacity for physical and psychological
suffering. As he points out in the review, we inflict great pain on animals
raised for food, including laying hens, who are crammed eight to a cage
the size of a file drawer and denied everything that would make their lives
worth living. This, he argues, is as much a form of abuse as is bestiality.
- PETA agrees with Dr. Singer that it's time to recognize
our similarities to animals, and work to improve the lives of all species.
One way to start is to support stiffer penalties for animal abusers, whether
the abuse is sexual or not. Please visit www.PETA.org to learn more about
what PETA does advocate.
- Sincerely, Kathy Guillermo
Correspondent People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals
501 Front St. Norfolk, VA