- Comment
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- From Bonnie
12-20-1
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- Cover for the Osama Bin Ladin "confession tape"
was blown by MSNBCs military consultant, Dan Gurie. He said we know for
sure that it was him (OBL) because "WE" were there. The story
disappeared soon thereafter.
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- Even the phoney bin Ladin didn't confess to planning
the attacks. He said he was told 5 days before it happened. Everyone has
conceded that it took several years to plan. He was long-gone from Afganistan,
when that tape was manufactured. You don't think he'd sit in a cave and
wait for a bomb to hit him in the head? Is that what George Bush would
do? Sure he would.
Comment
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- From Bonnie
12-20-1
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- Cover for the Osama Bin Ladin "confession tape"
was blown by MSNBCs military consultant, Dan Gurie. He said we know for
sure that it was him (OBL) because "WE" were there. The story
disappeared soon thereafter.
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- Even the phoney bin Ladin didn't confess to planning
the attacks. He said he was told 5 days before it happened. Everyone has
conceded that it took several years to plan. He was long-gone from Afganistan,
when that tape was manufactured. You don't think he'd sit in a cave and
wait for a bomb to hit him in the head? Is that what George Bush would
do? Sure he would.
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- Who is 'the mother'?
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- From Yana
12-19-1
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- I have yet to see anyone question who the heck the Shaykh
was referring to when he talked about how "the mother" received
many phone calls of congratulations!! Now, since the whole tape is admitting
(supposedly) that Osama is guilty of 9/11, who is "the mother?"
I heard an Arab say that part of the tape is a celebratory party of the
birth of a child to one of Osama's wives. I heard that BEFORE I read the
transcript. I didn't think much of it at the time, but then when I read
the transcript - I thought, "Oh my God! It was a tape about a mother
giving birth!" At least some of it. It had to be.
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- Why else is no one even asking who "the mother"
is? That isn't some Islamic expression...so. if they admit their own guilt
on the tape (supposedly), why code name someone else as "the mother"?
And if that is a code name, shouldn't all the news be wondering who is
even higher up than Osama that that person's identity is kept secret even
on their home video? But not one word of wonder about the mysterious person
"the mother." Not one!
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- It seems so obvious that the Shaykh isn't talking about
any attacks to me when he tells how he and the brothers found out the good
news and about the phone calls to "the mother." Is it just me??
Why could I find no one else on the whole web wondering about this section?
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- Comment
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- From Gord S
bltzfg@hotmail.com
12-19-1
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- Hello Jeff
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- I always enjoy visiting your website for the wide variety
of information and the healthy debate. I would like to comment on a recent
article:
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- Alan Dershowitz On The bin Laden Video The National Post
- Canada
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- "...On December 12, 2001 the Pentagon released a
videotape (and translation) allegedly showing Al Q'aida leader Osama bin
Laden in conversation with other Arab potentates. Controversy rages about
its authenticity and content. The tape doesn't prove bin Laden's guilt.
Alan M.Dershowitz, a professor of law at Harvard University and an appellate
lawyer..."
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- I found this article very interesting because I have
been wondering whether it would prove guilt in a court of law. Mr. Dershowitz
made an interesting statement "... No jury viewing that tape would
want to acquit bin Laden, and few judges would have the courage to exclude
the tape from evidence ..."
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- If this tape were to undergo the scrutiny of technical
experts as to its' authenticity, there might be sufficient reason to actually
exclude it from evidence or at least seriously downgrade it's relevence.
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- With present computer technology it is well proven that
with off the shelf technology a good computer / video team can "place
words into another persons mouth" so to speak. If anyone has any doubts
about that I suggest you rent the movies Babe and Pigs In the City and
watch how well the voices match the animals mouth movements. The lip sync.
illusion is very convincing. If hollywood can make pigs talk on the screen
with perfect syncronicity to the original actor's voices, then you can
also make Bin Laden say anything you want.
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- The technology involved is fairly straightforward, but
time-consuming. Here's a quick description. The actor doing the voice-over
wears an apparatus that senses the position of the jaw, eyes, facial muscles
etc. In some cases this can simply be a series of tiny white dots located
on the face which are then monitored by a camera which then feeds the position
information into the computer. Thus the speech and the exact facial movements
are recorded together.
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- A video of the original speaker (Bin Laden , or the pig,
dog, etc.) is then analysed and the control points for their specific physiology
is mapped on to their face. By analysing views from different directions
it could be possible to construct a 3 dimensional model of their facial
structure in the computer. Using this information the video team can then
use various sampling and morphing techniques to modify the original video
so the facial movements now perfectly match the new voice-over. Once everything
is re-assembled the illusion is complete. The person's facial movements
are perfectly syncronized to the new voice.
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- The only way to determine if the video is real or has
been manipulated is by a very careful analysis of the video frame by frame.
Such manipulations can leave tell-tale digital artifacts that can be observed
under high magnification and advanced signal analysis. However , these
artifacts can be buried and obscured if you include in the final video
a sufficient amount of carefully placed audio and video noise (dithering,
tranfer to film, multiple re-recording etc.)
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- It is well within present technology to create a new
voice over an existing video, if you have the money and the time. However
to hide the manipulation so even the best experts can't detect it, the
final product has to have sufficient noise to bury any of the artifacts.
The biggest complaint about the Bin Laden video has been the grainy, noisy
nature of both the video and audio. This excess noise does not prove the
video to be a fake, it simply makes it impossible to determine if or to
what extent it could have been "doctored".
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- However , there exists another tool to determine the
authenticity of the video tape called voice print analysis. Some of the
talented entertainers like Rich Little can do amazingly close impressions
of other voices. By using voice print analysis an expert can determine
very quickly the real voice from the fake. However this technique requires
a clear undistorted recording. But the audio quality of the Bin Laden tape
is so poor that some sections are so buried in noise as to be inaudible.
A voice print analysis would likely be indeterminate as well.
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- If the Bin Laden tape were to be scrutinized by technical
experts and their findings presented in a court of law, it would present
a much different finding then the reviews presently being given by the
news media. If the defense team has sufficient funds they could commission
a video expert to produce a noisy video of say John Wayne saying things
in a taped interview he obviously never said. It would be a very convincing
demonstration.
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- By now the tape has already had its' effect in the court
of public opinion, and that's probably all the politician's care about.
The statements by Bin Laden are highly shocking, and the government has
gone to great lenghts to assure us that the translation has been accurate.
However, whether those statements would be allowed as irrefultable legal
evidence just on the basis of one noisy video tape alone is highly debatable;all
you have to do is show some clips of the movie "Babe" to the
jury and it immediately sets up doubt. The technology of placing new words
into another person's mouth is quite well advanced (of course politicians
have already been doing that for years ...)
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- Regards,
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- Gord
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- Comment
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- From Sylvia
pagan@mail.emcs.net
12-19-1
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- Hey, Jeff - First, I am no expert in anything pertinent
to this conversation. HOWEVER, I am not blind or stupid. The 'person' in
the tape is NOT ObL.
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- The nose is too short, the beard is too full and white
and too high-up on the cheeks. The forehead is flatter and broader. The
top of cheeks are 'mellon balls' - ObL's are a bony ridge without excess
round fullness. The body seems shorter and fuller. And on and on.
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- All the analyses I have read are focused on the text.
Why are all the physical discrepancies being given short-shrift?? Also,
that conversation was not the way such participants would speak: it reads
like 7th grade boys' imagination....about par with the minds that have
been running our country for the last 50 years!
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- The whole thing could have been made by a junior high
film class and gotten a C- grade. Can't someone write an analysis of the
obvious lack of physical similarities for the public to "see"??
Many can "see" but far too many believe what they are told they
"see." Let's help them to really LOOK.
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- Thanks,
Sylvia
A Pagan Woman
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- Comment
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- From John Housand
12-17-1
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- Jeff- Doesn't it seem the bin Laden tape came up right
on cue? Is the whole fake or real issue working like a charm, just as planned?
It's got the west and Islam in an uproar keeping tensions high. Why does
the federal government and the Coalition feel they need to "push"
the tape anyway? Didn't they claim to have enough evidence to carpet bomb
the entire planet, if need be, to bring the evil "one" (as in
lone gunman);to justice? So why the tape? Why the need for a "smoking
gun"? Could the heat be on Bush , Democrats the Coalition prompt the
need for yet another distraction?
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- Something to consider. The FBI files on President Bush
giving orders to "backoff" on bin Laden becoming public. Bush's
connections with ENRON (include the Democrats). The worlds (also here in
the U.S.) concerns over the legitimacy of the war on Afghanistan, and the
burning question right before the tape shows up. Where is bin Laden in
all this mess? How short is our attention span anyway? When talking about
bin Laden and the tape, don't you think it is wise to NOT FORGET his ties
to Bush and CIA?
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- First of all, I believe from my own exprience and after
doing much research that a "one world" minded power base was
behind the 9-11 attacks and all the actions which are being carried out
in it's name. So, when I here about this tape I see it as yet another con.
Jeff don't you you think with all their resources the New World Order could
have got a couple of better actors then George Bush and bin Laden for their
money?
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- From Charles Obler
12-17-1
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- Hello Jeff. I thought you might be interested in this.
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- The first thing that jumped out at me when I read the
transcript is the following statement:
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- "we calculated in advance the number of casualties
from the enemy, who would be killed based on the position of the tower.
We calculated that the floors that would be hit would be three or four
floors. I was the most optimistic of them all. (...inaudible...) due to
my experience in this field, I was thinking that the fire from the gas
in the plane would melt the iron structure of the building and collapse
the area where the plane hit and all the floors above it only. This is
all that we had hoped for."
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- Someone with a background in civil engineering could
not POSSIBLY make such an uninformed statement. Simple commonsense tells
us that the floors below could not POSSIBLY support the collapsed weight
of three or more floors above, and "bin Laden" here says he expected
ALL of the floors above to collapse without impacting those below!
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- Either this is Forest Gump speaking, and not bin Laden,
OR, bin Laden is still on the CIA payroll and deliberately making unbelievably
stupid comments simply for their emotional effect.
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- One More Flaw in Bin Laden Video
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- From Abdul Hameed Khan
- hazizad@cyber.net.pk
- Karachi
- 12-16-1
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- Dear Mr. Rense,
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- It's been a great experience to read articles on your
website. I am sending you a letter I wrote to a Peshawar based English
Newspaper with one more flaw in the Bin Laden Tapes:-
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- To: The Editor
- The Frontier Post
- Peshawar
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- FAX: 91-270505
- Date: 15 December 2001
- Subject: Articles/Letters to the Editor
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- Dear Sir,
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- I am submitting my views for publication in your esteemed
newspaper:-
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- The Bin Laden Video Tapes
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- The bin Laden video released by the US Government is
a poor Hollywood production which has further confirmed the doubts in the
public. There are so many blunders, which can only be attributed to haste
in producing 'proof' and an excuse for the mass killings in Afghanistan.
The caustic and sarcastic remarks expressed throughout the world has proved
that instead of assuaging the concerns of the people of the US genocide
it has further added to their skepticism. The 'Bush Production' has become
more of a comedy and subject of ridicule. One analyst has remarked:-
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- "I have viewed excerpts from the 'Smoking Gun' bin
Laden video and I can't see how anyone could mistake the actor on the video
for Usama bin Laden. It seems that UbL has been gulping down more than
his fair share of the "food aid" that is being dropped because
he is obviously carrying a few more pounds, mostly in the face, since the
videos screened on Al Jazeera not long ago, reportedly recorded only a
few days earlier. I seem to associate the actor on the video more with
Will Smith than with UbL."
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- Many pertinent points have been brought out which show
that the tape is a fraud. Another point I would like to bring out is that
the tape shows Usama gesticulating excessively with his right hand. People
know that Usama speaks in a cold deliberate slow manner and is left handed.
Any such gesticulations would have been done with his left hand. I think
the producer of the video failed to observe this point. If Bush and Company
can come out with nothing better than this 'proof' their unjust action
in Afghanistan is thoroughly exposed.
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- This is what Noam Chomsky means by 'Manufacturing Evidence'
and it has been a poor effort by the World's 'Superpower.' Mr. Bush can
go 'tell it to the marines'...
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- Thanking You,
- Yours truly,
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- Abdul Hameed Khan
- Karachi
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- From Stephanie Bird
12-15-1
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- Hey Jeff...
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- When I first heard about "The Tape", I found
it to be very, very "convenient", and astoundingly fortunate
that it was discovered at all, let alone by U.S. forces (I hope those involved
in it's discovery were able to play some type of lottery that day, as it
was truly the luckiest day to beat all lucky days, ever!).
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- Not only was it found to begin with, but it provided
Dubya with the "proof" he needed to show the world - the world
which rallied around the U.S., asking only for evidence of his guilt. The
quality (if you can even use that word to describe the tape) was also fortuitous,
as it left holes you could drive a tank through, and twist at will to serve
whatever purpose they wanted.
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- Upon hearing the news on 9/11, my first gut reaction
was that it was an attack on America by the American government. It smacks
so much of Operation Panty Shield/Panty Storm that Bush, Sr. drug us into
10+ years ago (scoring low in the popularity polls, deep recession...sound
familiar???) that Miss Manners would drop dead of apoplexy.
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- So, in rides Dubya (like father, like son) ready to kick
ass and take names, AND get his hands on the "budget surplus"
for his military shopping spree...the one that had been denied because
not all the senate and congress members suffer from missile envy. The fact
that Dubya is in office at all has to make one wonder...closest presidential
race in our history and the all the ballot "confusion" from a
state where his brother is governor? Oh, please.
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- It has been said that Clinton went after So-damn Insane
to divert the public's attention from getting his knob polished...what
is Dubya diverting our attention from now??? I wonder what slush funds
this new "War on Drugs" program are going to fund? Frightening
thought, isn't it?
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- From Matt Bianchini and Justin Gonzales
12-15-1
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- We were watching the Bin Laden video and we wanted to
compare it to the other interviews of him. We noticed in the newest video
that Bin Laden was wearing a ring on his right hand. In all of the other
pictures of interviews Bin Laden had done we noticed that he never had
a ring on. The ring just happened to catch our eye. If the Bin Laden in
this video was a fake the people responsible for it should have done more
research on his previous interviews. They should copy more than just his
clothing next time. Then again, bin Laden could have just felt like putting
on a ring this time.
Comment
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- English whispers on 'bin Laden' tape?
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- From Paul Frazier
12-15-1
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- If you listen hard enough, you will occasionally hear
(just bearly) someone whispering softly, in English, to the video cameraman
giving instructions on where to point his camera.
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- Perhaps separating and cleaning up the audio will make
it more audible.
Comment
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- From Arun Banerji
12-15-1
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- Hi Jeff - I am no expert but I compared 2 still photos
from CNN of this so-called Osama confession tape with a still photo from
the Osama interview with Al Jazeera.
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- The original Osama has a huge head compared to a small
body. When I saw this footage, I noted how he looked like a giraffe.
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- The new Osama is not like that. He has a round head with
a large body, very husky body.
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- The original Osama you can see has a long neck but the
new Osama has a short one.
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- The original Osama has a head that is long and thin and
the new Osama has a regular shaped head.
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- The new Osama has more straight eyebrows while original
Osama has ones that curve downward like the McDonalds arches.
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- The original Osama has lines from the sides of his nose
that point almost straight down to the corners of his mouth, while the
new Osama has those lines but they don't point down to the corners of his
mouth!
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- This 'new' Osama looks more like Abdul Baha than OBL!
Haha.
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- I recall a few weeks ago hearing that Osama had many
doubles around to confuse those trying to get him. Perhaps the elite used
one in a Wag the Dog production. God knows Bush and his buddies badly needed
some 'evidence'.
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- From Haroon Sulaiman
South Africa
12-14-1
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- Thank you for an excellent, independent news source.
I have been following the news of the "Strike against Islam...uh Terrorism"
on your site since the 9-11 attacks and I believe that I am one of the
few informed individuals who has a clear idea of what is happening and
why. All thanks to your excellent website: www.rense.com
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- I have viewed exceprts from the "Smoking Gun"
bin Laden video and I can't see how anyone could mistake the actor on the
video for Usama bin Laden. It seems that UbL has been gulping down more
than his fair share of the "food aid" that is being dropped because
he is obviously carrying a few more pounds, mostly in the face, since the
videos screened on Al Jazeera not long ago, reportedly recorded only a
few days earlier. I seem to associate the actor on the video more with
Will Smith than with UbL.
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- It must further be mentioned that the parts of the audio
that can be heard do not sound anything at all like the audio of bin Laden
on the Al Jazeera broadcasts. In fact it does not even sound like the arabic
spoken by an arab. I wonder just how many people are falling for this deception
after the "planted spy" American Taliban debacle did not have
the desired effect.
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- Sorry America, you guys are just being absolutely stupid
in believing that shrub (bush jnr). You people should take note of the
words of your Ben Franklin when he stated "Those who would give up
freedom for security deserve, and will get, neither."
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- From Pete Wagner
12-13-1
Jeff,
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- Regarding the supposed Bin Laden video, we must ask ourselves
this: Why does this video exist?
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- If in fact the video is authentic, then the purpose of
the video can be nothing other than for Bin Laden and his group to tell
the world that they were responsible for the 911 event. Otherwise -- e.g.,
if this video was taken without this purpose -- why only does the video
context focus solely upon this implication? If this video is authentic,
and it was the only video of its type discovered, then we must assume that
giving the world this message was the intent of Bin Laden and his group.
But why? Clearly it does not serve their interests.
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- Here is the inconsistency that exposes the fraud.
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- If instead there happened to be many of these videos
found, covering altogether a broad range of subject matter Bin Laden and
his group would be likely interested in (e.g., the Palestinian situation,
the alledged Zionist influence over the United States, the corruption of
the Saudi ruling family, etc.) then we would have to give it much more
credibility. But as it stands now, with only this one tape, the pieces
don't fit. As it stands it is much easier to believe that this video is
a U.S. production designed for the purpose it is currently serving.
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- When we ask why does this video exist, we can only find
this one disturbing answer.
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