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Another New Roswell
Witness Comes Forward -
More On Ramey Message
From George A. Filer <Majorstar@aol.com>
Director, Mutual UFO Network Eastern
MUFON Skywatch Investigations
Filer's Files #14
4-10-00
 
I was at Roswell in 1947 to early 1950. I was as at the time a gunner in the 393rd Bomb Squadron, 509th Bomb Group and a member of Captain Frederick Ewing's B-29 combat crew with tail number 44-7301 (Straight Flush) .. On Wednesday, July 9, 1947, our crew transported a crate to Carswell Army Air Force Base, Fort Worth, Texas in 1:55 minutes. The mission and cargo was classified. The crate was hauled in the front bomb bay and armed guards rode in that bomb bay with the crate. When I removed the down lock, I saw a Major and a Technical Sergeant in the bomb bay and some others in there. They rode the whole trip in the bomb bay and did not return with us. We flew unpressurized at about 8,000 feet. Our bombardier made a safety check of the shackles which held the platform secure. Those shackles were rigged so that the cargo could not be jettisoned. The corporal tail gunner and I saw the crate when we removed the down locks from the from the bomb doors. The crate was covered with a tarp when unloaded and taken away on a trailer at Carswell. I would guess the crate was about 12 x 6 x 6 feet. The engineer and I talked about weight and balance. They evidently had not given him a firm figure on the weight. He said with a laugh, "As long as it isn't more than five thousand pounds our center of gravity should be okay." We knew that Ft. Worth was to be our landing point, and we might get to see the new B-36 bomber. Someone made a remark about carrying "The General's Furniture". There had also been rumors for a couple of days about a spaceship crash, but we were only told it was classified cargo and to stay back.
 
On the way home, I went forward to chat with Warrant Officer Landry about minor problem with a prop. We had the Curtiss Electric's and there was concern that one of them was hunting a bit. Major Jessie Marcel rode back to Roswell with us and I talked briefly with him. He was always interested in the enlisted men on flight crews. He wanted gunners to be good observers when on long missions. I don't think his questions that day were probing. We were useful mostly as scanners because we had only tail guns. He asked if I was anxious to get into B-36's? We were told repeatedly not to talk of this incident, not even to our wives. I held that inside until 1988 when books began to appear. To this day I am in touch with one other member of our crew. Most of the others are no longer alive. Major Ewing was killed in a B-47 crash in Florida in 1952.
 
Sometime afterwards, about three to six months later, the wives began talking among themselves about the cleanup detail. This originated from the wives of men on that duty. One such was a neighbor of ours in July 1947. They moved across town, but I would sometimes see him and I ask him what he had seen out there. He was upset and told me, "You don't want to know." I think he was a baker because he would leave for work in the early morning, like 0130 hours. A time or two when I'd come in from a late flight he would be standing on the corner waiting for a ride. They did not own a car. Based on the wives gossip we heard that he had seen a body.
 
Later, I became a pilot and while in SAC and was an instructor in the Aero-clubs and moonlighting as a crop duster. Aviation has been my life. While in SAC KC-97's at March AFB our crew had two weird experiences, with something that officially wasn't there. You may put the story in your Filer's Files.
 
 
Our thanks to a Roswell B-29 gunner.
 
Editor's Note: The government claims what was brought to Fort Worth under guard was an unclassified Mogul Balloon that they launched regularly from White Sands Proving Grounds with printed instructions on the side for a reward if found. Our witness claims there were multiple guards inside the bomb bay. Even Atomic bombs did not normally warrant guards inside the bomb bay and certainly not an officer with the rank of Major. The witness verifies parts of the message held in General Ramey's hand such as the debris forwarded to Fort Worth as ordered below:
 
FOUR RAMEY MESSAGE COMPARISONS
 
Neil Morris writes from the University of Manchester in England. Several distinguished groups are attempting to interpret the writing on a message held in General Ramey's hand taken in the Commander's 8th Air Force office by photographer James Bond Johnson in July of 1947. David Rudiak's sent his "take" of the message and allowed me to include it in the comparisons of readings taken from a message that takes up a tiny portion of the photograph. It has taken fifty years and modern computers to attempt to read the message. There are several interpretations of the message and we should emphasize that the various "takes" are far from being set in stone and represent a "snap-shot" of a work in progress as of April. The interpretations, I am sure, WILL change and evolve as time goes on.
 
1) CAPITALS denote firm interpretation.
2) Lowerspace are guesses but may be incorrect
3) "*" denote unknown letter,
4) My line format is to the best I can conclude, correct to the grid layout
of the typed text
 
(M) - Neil Morris at U. of Manchester.
(B) - Don Burleson's interpretation MUFON Journal March 2000.
(C) - Tom Carey/Don Schmitt interpretation 3/2000.
(DR) - David Rudiak March/April 2000
(F) - Chris Farmer/Filer
 
Line 1.
???xxxx-xxx--x-xxxxx
(M) reco VERY Was ROSWELl Head oIc giveN AS THE
(B)- RECO---- OPERATION WITH ROSWELL DISK 074 MJ--AT THE
(C) RECO ... OPERATION AT THE
(DR) recovery operations WEre fo und NEAR site two, at one
 
Line 2.
????xxx xxx xxx xxxxxxx xx xxx xxxxx xxx xxxxxxxxx xx xxx
(M) ext 4*S EXp VIctIMS of THE WRecK and CONVAy ON TO THE
(B) - --- THE VICTIMS OF THE WRECK YOU FORWARDED TO THE
(C) JULY 4TH THE VICTIMS OF THE WRECK YOU FORWARDED TO THE
(DR) todaY All THE VICTIMS OF THE WRECK YOU FORWARDED TO THE
 
Line 3. ???xxx xx xxx
(M) *** at FORT WORTH. Txe.
(B) TEAM AT FORT WORTH. TXE.
(C) AT FORT WORTH. TEX.
(DR) teaM AT FORT WORTH, TEX.
 
Line 4.
??xxxxxx xx xxx xx
(M) w**S** SOrTei *e**** thAT- ONUS raaF T&E A3**9* Landparty
(B) ----SS-- ON THE "DISK" MUST- HAVE SENT -0- A-AM-- A-------D(C) ESSOR
ON THE "DISK" MUST THUS SAVE FOR ATOMIC LABORATORY
(DR) ----ses in THE "DISC" THEY will ship FOR Ac-as2 Arrived
 
Line 5.
??xxxx-xx xx-xxxx
(M) SOught CRASHes *O**** are needed sITEone ** **s***** locate
(B) -- URGENT. POWERS ARE NEEDED SITETWO AT CARLSBAD,NMEX--
(C) URGENT. POWERS ARE NEEDED SITE TWO NW ROSWELL, N.MEX.
(DR) by b29 OR c47. bomber sq AsSist flights AT ROSWELL.
AS---
 
Line 6.
??xx-x-xxxxxx
(M) MIDDAY 509# TOLD newspaPeR segment of STORY Adv ****
(B) - SAFE TALK NEWSPAPER MEANING OF STORY AND -----
(C) SAFE TALK WANTED FOR MEANING OF STORY AND MISSION
(DR) (at noon)todaY SAID SenD MiStatEd rElease AS STORY And said
(F) "TOLD GA50 UNKNOWN SGMNTS OF STORY...etc."__
 
Line 7.
??-xxxxxxx
(M) LLY THrY EVEN PUT for AF WEATATN BALLOONS raDar WERE
(B) ONLY SHOW ---- ---- BY WEATHER BALLOONS 400-KW WAVE
(C) NEXT CREW OUT TODAY. WEATHER BALLOONS WOULD MAKE
(DR) (news)theY nEXt send out is of WEATHER BALLOONS would make
 
Line 8. ??-xxxx-x
(M) And Land L*** denver ofww3
(B) ---- -- 9 AND LAND L--- DENVER CREWS.
(C) . . . 509 HAS LAND SURVEYOR CREWS.
(DR) (a good)storY. ADD LAND Displayer crewS.
 
Line 9. xxxxx-
(M) ******
(B) TEMPLE
(C) "R RAMEY"
(DR) rAMEy
(F) TEMPLE
Thanks to Neil Morris, Dept, of Physics, University of Manchester
 
 
HANGER 18, FACT OR FICTION?
 
Robert Collins writes recent investigations have turned up new information that may in fact point to a suspected place as Hangar 18 at WP but it's called Hangar 23: Hangar 23 sits between buildings 18F and 18A in the 18 Complex and so this might make it easier to understand how the Hangar 18 folklore developed? As the story goes from sources the Roswell or another Craft(s) (dimensions of 30 X 15 feet disc) were brought into Hangar 23. The floor of the hangar was removed and the craft lowered into this newly dug out basement: A concrete floor was then placed over this basement area containing the Craft. Please see http://home.earthlink.net/~rcollins637/reports/wp_hangar18.htm for further information and http://home.sprintmail.com/~rigoletto/Sanctuary_Of_The_Birds.htm for updates and reports.......

 
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